Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Join the Online Tax Revolt

Something tells me it was a hack job.

 

In a message dated 2/28/2010 6:10:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lightflyer@adelphia.net writes:

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> This sort of e-mail is not appropriate for this list.
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> Thank you.
> Helen

Agreed!!!
We get enough spam as it is.

BUTT... did you happen to notice that it was posted by the LIST OWNER???

Just thought it was amusing ;)

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Join the Online Tax Revolt

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> This sort of e-mail is not appropriate for this list.
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Agreed!!!
We get enough spam as it is.

BUTT... did you happen to notice that it was posted by the LIST OWNER???

Just thought it was amusing ;)

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group My Trip to Moline [4 Attachments]

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I wanted to give you a quick recap of how I spent my Saturday. I was invited by Dave Graham of Gobosh to come out and test fly some of his airplanes. I had spoken to him at Sebring and of course since I learned to fly in a G700S I am considering purchasing one someday.   So I bought a ticket last Wednesday for $150 and got on a plane at 6 AM Sat bound for Chicago then Moline IL. I arrived at 9:00 and Dave met me at the terminal. Gobosh maintains a hanger at the airport so it was a quick 10 minute ride to the GA side of the Class C facility.   As soon as he raised the door I knew I was in Candyland! There sat two G700S and a 800XP. I had made the trip to fly the 800 but since I was there for the day, we flew all three.   The first flight was in the 800XP. This is one Hot BIRD. Dave was kind enough to handle the radio duties so I could just fly. We were cleared after the wake from a 717 had subsided and off we went. The 800XP is all carbon fiber and is much lighter and sleaker than it's brother the 700S. The climb rate was well over 1000 fpm and since it was 34 degrees the planes wing and 70 pound advantage nade it feel like a rocketship. This plane was equipped with dual Dynon Glass panels so it took me some time to adjust. The slighest touch on the stick brings immediate response so Cessna Driver beware. The cockpit was wide and low and it was very quiet. GoBosh really does a nice job with its panels. I would compare its handling to the 700S like a Corvette versus a sport sedan. Landing was a bit tricky since the plane has a 18:1 glide ratio and it is hard to slow down but I managed to make 5 landings and I'm still here to type this note.   Afterwards, he asked if I wanted to fly N701GB the plane shown on Plane and Pilot and the FAR AIM Guide as a comparison to the 800XP. We went up for 40 minutes and I was surprised how much different it flew than the one I trained in for 7 months. It had the 6 pack instruments.   Finally, after lunch, we took his new Garmin Equipped 700S out for spin...well, ok, stall. This is a new package for them and one of only a handful of Garmin Glass equipped LSA in the country. The plane flew similar to the earlier one but the Garmin glass is off the hook! Both screens side by side and very bright in even direct sun. Add a TruTrak auto pilot and I could seriously see some road trips in this plane.   After everything was tucked away we drove over to their offices in Iowa. Tim Baldwin met us and we talked airplanes and finances. It was very informative and these guys really know their business. Their love of the light sport is evident and it comes across when they talk about their business and how many planes they flew before choosing theirs.   It was getting close to my 7 PM flight back so we wrapped up and Dave took me back to the terminal. I was getting tired logging some 3 hours of flying and that 4 AM wake up. Dave was flying the 800XP back to it's owner in CA on Sunday so he had a bit of planning ahead.   It was a great day and I will seriously consider purchasing one of their planes when that time comes. Both are dedicated to light sport and seem to be in it for the long haul. Dave really knows his products and loves to show their prowess. If you are in the market, consider a trip to the Moline and check these guys out. Customer service is everything and these guys seem to have figured it out.   Bob

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Join the Online Tax Revolt

This sort of e-mail is not appropriate for this list.

Thank you.
Helen

On 2/28/2010 6:16 PM, Online Tax Revolt wrote:

Our nation is in serious trouble and it falls to us to get the nation back on track. Politicians are mortgaging our future with out of control spending and a tax code that is holding America back. I have signed up to the online tax revolt at www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com. This tax revolt is a wake-up call to everyone in Washington that the American people won't be ignored any longer. We MUST stop the government spending and we MUST lower taxes and reform the tax code. Please join me for the online march at www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com. It will only take seconds, simply choose your avatar and your march will begin! On Tax Day, April 15, our avatars will arrive in DC to join a massive live rally. You participate right online. A personal message from your friend, Rex: Join the march on Washington. The Online Tax Revolt is open to every American who believes taxes and spending are out of control, harmful to our country and a threat to our nation's future. Join other Americans as we march online from across the country to Washington, DC and rally together on April 15! To join the Online Tax Revolt, visit www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com Paid for by Americans for Fair Taxation

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This doesn't belong on a focus group about light sport.  Please

I get enough crap e-mail. I don't want or need any more.

Bob 47N
N196RS

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Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Join the Online Tax Revolt

 

Our nation is in serious trouble and it falls to us to get the nation back on track. Politicians are mortgaging our future with out of control spending and a tax code that is holding America back. I have signed up to the online tax revolt at www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com. This tax revolt is a wake-up call to everyone in Washington that the American people won't be ignored any longer. We MUST stop the government spending and we MUST lower taxes and reform the tax code. Please join me for the online march at www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com. It will only take seconds, simply choose your avatar and your march will begin! On Tax Day, April 15, our avatars will arrive in DC to join a massive live rally. You participate right online. A personal message from your friend, Rex: Join the march on Washington. The Online Tax Revolt is open to every American who believes taxes and spending are out of control, harmful to our country and a threat to our nation's future. Join other Americans as we march online from across the country to Washington, DC and rally together on April 15! To join the Online Tax Revolt, visit www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com Paid for by Americans for Fair Taxation

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Join the Online Tax Revolt

Our nation is in serious trouble and it falls to us to get the nation back on track. Politicians are mortgaging our future with out of control spending and a tax code that is holding America back. I have signed up to the online tax revolt at www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com. This tax revolt is a wake-up call to everyone in Washington that the American people won't be ignored any longer. We MUST stop the government spending and we MUST lower taxes and reform the tax code. Please join me for the online march at www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com. It will only take seconds, simply choose your avatar and your march will begin! On Tax Day, April 15, our avatars will arrive in DC to join a massive live rally. You participate right online. A personal message from your friend, Rex: Join the march on Washington. The Online Tax Revolt is open to every American who believes taxes and spending are out of control, harmful to our country and a threat to our nation's future. Join other Americans as we march online from across the country to Washington, DC and rally together on April 15! To join the Online Tax Revolt, visit www.OnlineTaxRevolt.com Paid for by Americans for Fair Taxation

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Trike Video - Salton Sea Part 1

Wow!!
That was very nicely done.
Great shots of the equipment and the scenery, and I loved the lady's comment at the end about the 2 things that fall out of the sky ;)

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> IPhone/IPod version along with some extra photos. Please leave a comment
> as we all love to hear from everybody. Big thanks to Eric for his great
> friendship and photos.
>
> http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike2010ss1
> <http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike2010ss1>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Damien
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Question about the April 2nd rule change

For those of us living in higher mountainous states (like Colorado), the rule change on April 2nd is going to be very welcomed. While doing some studying about above/below and horizontal distances up to 10k feet (depending upon the airspace), I got to wondering about what (if any) changes there may be to restrictions in the airspace above 10k (or 2k AGL that exceeds 10k). Right now it's either clear of clouds, or 500 below, 1k above and 2k horizontally depending upon the airspace.

How or will that change above 10k?

I'm seeing my CFI this evening and I'll ask him as well, but I thought it was an interesting question.

Brian

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Check out my photos on Facebook

facebook Tom Williams has: 73 friends 1 photo 0 notes 21 wall posts 6 groups Check out my photos on Facebook Hi Sport_Aircraft, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Tom To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=1344138834&k=Z3AXX46SVZTFXJFDWGVYS5PQUSGF364A&r Already have an account? Add this email address to your account here. See who else has invited you to Facebook: Rex Hewitt 130 friends 8 photos Other people you may know on Facebook: Ihab A.B. Awad Ezil Azlan Ahmad Muniran Peter Preston Paul Rennix sport_aircraft@yahoogroups.com was invited to join Facebook by Tom Williams. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please click here to unsubscribe. Facebook's offices are located at 1601 S. California Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94304.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Trike Video - Salton Sea Part 1

As usual, under the "add comments" button there is a You Tube, Vimeo and
IPhone/IPod version along with some extra photos. Please leave a comment
as we all love to hear from everybody. Big thanks to Eric for his great
friendship and photos.

http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike2010ss1

Cheers,

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2036269
any 1n400? will do Radioshack carries both 1n4001 and 1n4003 the 03 just has higher
breakdown voltage and since they cost the same ($.99) best to get the 03 which is the link
above.
The striped end is the cathode (-) end and should go toward the equipment. You want the (+)
end to go toward your power source to forward bias it.
If you don't want to solder it you can use crimp slices or terminal strips to do it.
John

On Monday 15 February 2010 19:38:30 Bill Hobson wrote:
> Very cool. Thanks again.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Watson
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:31 PM
> Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning
> Light
>
>
>
>
> Any normal power diode - 1N4001 or 1N4004 would be fine and is popular.
> Any voltage/amperage they have would do since you are running almost no
> current and low voltage. You cannot use a germanium? diode that would be
> used in a radio tuner. Yes Radio Shack should have them and they should
> cost a buck or two. IIRC hook them up end to end with the stripes both
> facing the +(red) cigarette outlet. If you lite turns on at all, then you
> got it right. If not, swap ends and you should be good to go. Pretty much
> nothing to go wrong in a harmful way.
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

Very cool. Thanks again.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Watson

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:31 PM

Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

Any normal power diode - 1N4001 or 1N4004 would be fine and is popular. Any voltage/amperage they have would do since you are running almost no current and low voltage. You cannot use a germanium? diode that would be used in a radio tuner. Yes Radio Shack should have them and they should cost a buck or two. IIRC hook them up end to end with the stripes both facing the +(red) cigarette outlet. If you lite turns on at all, then you got it right. If not, swap ends and you should be good to go. Pretty much nothing to go wrong in a harmful way.

Bill

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hobson
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:13 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

OK - Good advice. One question - What's a diode? Seriously though, isn't there some kind of specific diode I should buy? And how many ohms, volts, amps, kilowatts or whatever should they be rated for? And you're meaning on the positive line going into the doodad right? Is this a Radio Shack item? Actually, I mis-spoke, the LED shines solid blue when the voltage is above 11.1 which would mean 12.3 BD (before diodes). Thanks for the help.

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:22 PM

Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

Bill,

Consider adding 2 diodes in series with this device's power cable. Each diode makes a 0.6 volt difference. What that means to you is that with 2 diodes, the flashing blue happens at 12.4v. If you use 3, then blue flashes at 13.6v - which may be on the verge of too little distance to trouble. While your battery gives 12.6 when fully charged, if your plane is running the voltage should be >13.5v. IMHO leaving it at 11.2 is a little too far gone.

Bill Watson

bill@sportpilot.info

http://www.aa1car.com/library/battery_runs_down.htm

Battery Voltage and State of Charge:

12.68v . . . . . . . . . . 100%
12.45v . . . . . . . . . . 75%
12.24v . . . . . . . . . . 50%
12.06v . . . . . . . . . . 25%
11.89v . . . . . . . . . . 0%

(NOTE: these readings are at 80 degrees F. Battery voltage readings will drop with temperature roughly 0.01 volts for every 10 degrees F.)
(At 30 degrees F. a fully charged battery will measure about 12.588 volts, and at zero degrees F it will measure about 12.516 volts.)

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hobson
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:09 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

Actually, I found exactly what I was looking for at an RC Helicopter web store (Google to the rescue again!). It was $6 and has an LED and an audible alarm. It's about 1" long, 3/4" wide and 1/4" thick. It has a solid blue LED if the battery is >11.3 volts, a flashing blue LED if the battery falls to between 11.2 and 10.2 volts, a flashing red LED if the battery goes below 10.2 volts and a solid RED LED and an audible alarm if the battery falls below 9.2 volts. I rigged it temporarily so it plugs into the cigarette lighter and have it attached to the panel with velcro. Now if the belt breaks, the alternator stops working or the idiot pilot forgets to turn the Alternator and Field switches on (a repeat of which in my case is very unlikely), the radio failure won't come as a sudden surprise.

----- Original Message -----

From: flybellaire2004

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:50 AM

Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

Hi,
No desire to step on toes.. I didn't read all the posts on this. Having an extensive background in electronics, there ARE Digital bar graph integrated circuits, which will drive a bar graph LED. They consume about 20 ma (almost non existent power wise), and the needed voltage to operate is only 5 volts. They can also be operated with a separate battery.. but why? If your A/C battery is down to 5.. then it really doesn't matter. They could also be made to illuminate an additional "front and center", brighter warning light.. or horn. The bar graph LED can be as small as 3/8" x 3/4".. so very little panel space is needed. And just as easily can be made to endure significant spikes or over-voltage conditions.

Jerry

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wrhobson@...> wrote:
>
> What with our ever-increasing reliance on airborne electronic gear I'd like to install a simple (cheap) alternator warning light in my plane. Something that would maybe blink and/or produce an audible alarm when the battery discharged below a pre-set level would be ideal. Has anybody run across such an item? Thanks.
>

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

Any normal power diode - 1N4001 or 1N4004 would be fine and is popular. Any voltage/amperage they have would do since you are running almost no current and low voltage. You cannot use a germanium? diode that would be used in a radio tuner. Yes Radio Shack should have them and they should cost a buck or two. IIRC hook them up end to end with the stripes both facing the +(red) cigarette outlet. If you lite turns on at all, then you got it right. If not, swap ends and you should be good to go. Pretty much nothing to go wrong in a harmful way.

 

Bill

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hobson
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:13 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

OK - Good advice. One question - What's a diode? Seriously though, isn't there some kind of specific diode I should buy? And how many ohms, volts, amps, kilowatts or whatever should they be rated for? And you're meaning on the positive line going into the doodad right? Is this a Radio Shack item? Actually, I mis-spoke, the LED shines solid blue when the voltage is above 11.1 which would mean 12.3 BD (before diodes). Thanks for the help.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Watson

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:22 PM

Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

 

Bill,

Consider adding 2 diodes in series with this device's power cable. Each diode makes a 0.6 volt difference. What that means to you is that with 2 diodes, the flashing blue happens at 12.4v. If you use 3, then blue flashes at 13.6v - which may be on the verge of too little distance to trouble. While your battery gives 12.6 when fully charged, if your plane is running the voltage should be >13.5v. IMHO leaving it at 11.2 is a little too far gone.

Bill Watson

bill@sportpilot.info

http://www.aa1car.com/library/battery_runs_down.htm

Battery Voltage and State of Charge:

12.68v . . . . . . . . . . 100%
12.45v . . . . . . . . . . 75%
12.24v . . . . . . . . . . 50%
12.06v . . . . . . . . . . 25%
11.89v . . . . . . . . . . 0%

(NOTE: these readings are at 80 degrees F. Battery voltage readings will drop with temperature roughly 0.01 volts for every 10 degrees F.)
(At 30 degrees F. a fully charged battery will measure about 12.588 volts, and at zero degrees F it will measure about 12.516 volts.)

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hobson
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:09 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

Actually, I found exactly what I was looking for at an RC Helicopter web store (Google to the rescue again!). It was $6 and has an LED and an audible alarm. It's about 1" long, 3/4" wide and 1/4" thick. It has a solid blue LED if the battery is >11.3 volts, a flashing blue LED if the battery falls to between 11.2 and 10.2 volts, a flashing red LED if the battery goes below 10.2 volts and a solid RED LED and an audible alarm if the battery falls below 9.2 volts. I rigged it temporarily so it plugs into the cigarette lighter and have it attached to the panel with velcro. Now if the belt breaks, the alternator stops working or the idiot pilot forgets to turn the Alternator and Field switches on (a repeat of which in my case is very unlikely), the radio failure won't come as a sudden surprise.

----- Original Message -----

From: flybellaire2004

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:50 AM

Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

Hi,
No desire to step on toes.. I didn't read all the posts on this. Having an extensive background in electronics, there ARE Digital bar graph integrated circuits, which will drive a bar graph LED. They consume about 20 ma (almost non existent power wise), and the needed voltage to operate is only 5 volts. They can also be operated with a separate battery.. but why? If your A/C battery is down to 5.. then it really doesn't matter. They could also be made to illuminate an additional "front and center", brighter warning light.. or horn. The bar graph LED can be as small as 3/8" x 3/4".. so very little panel space is needed. And just as easily can be made to endure significant spikes or over-voltage conditions.

Jerry

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> What with our ever-increasing reliance on airborne electronic gear I'd like to install a simple (cheap) alternator warning light in my plane. Something that would maybe blink and/or produce an audible alarm when the battery discharged below a pre-set level would be ideal. Has anybody run across such an item? Thanks.
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

OK - Good advice. One question - What's a diode? Seriously though, isn't there some kind of specific diode I should buy? And how many ohms, volts, amps, kilowatts or whatever should they be rated for? And you're meaning on the positive line going into the doodad right? Is this a Radio Shack item? Actually, I mis-spoke, the LED shines solid blue when the voltage is above 11.1 which would mean 12.3 BD (before diodes). Thanks for the help.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Watson

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:22 PM

Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

Bill,

Consider adding 2 diodes in series with this device's power cable. Each diode makes a 0.6 volt difference. What that means to you is that with 2 diodes, the flashing blue happens at 12.4v. If you use 3, then blue flashes at 13.6v - which may be on the verge of too little distance to trouble. While your battery gives 12.6 when fully charged, if your plane is running the voltage should be >13.5v. IMHO leaving it at 11.2 is a little too far gone.

Bill Watson

bill@sportpilot.info

http://www.aa1car.com/library/battery_runs_down.htm

Battery Voltage and State of Charge:

12.68v . . . . . . . . . . 100%
12.45v . . . . . . . . . . 75%
12.24v . . . . . . . . . . 50%
12.06v . . . . . . . . . . 25%
11.89v . . . . . . . . . . 0%

(NOTE: these readings are at 80 degrees F. Battery voltage readings will drop with temperature roughly 0.01 volts for every 10 degrees F.)
(At 30 degrees F. a fully charged battery will measure about 12.588 volts, and at zero degrees F it will measure about 12.516 volts.)

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hobson
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:09 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

Actually, I found exactly what I was looking for at an RC Helicopter web store (Google to the rescue again!). It was $6 and has an LED and an audible alarm. It's about 1" long, 3/4" wide and 1/4" thick. It has a solid blue LED if the battery is >11.3 volts, a flashing blue LED if the battery falls to between 11.2 and 10.2 volts, a flashing red LED if the battery goes below 10.2 volts and a solid RED LED and an audible alarm if the battery falls below 9.2 volts. I rigged it temporarily so it plugs into the cigarette lighter and have it attached to the panel with velcro. Now if the belt breaks, the alternator stops working or the idiot pilot forgets to turn the Alternator and Field switches on (a repeat of which in my case is very unlikely), the radio failure won't come as a sudden surprise.

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:50 AM

Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

Hi,
No desire to step on toes.. I didn't read all the posts on this. Having an extensive background in electronics, there ARE Digital bar graph integrated circuits, which will drive a bar graph LED. They consume about 20 ma (almost non existent power wise), and the needed voltage to operate is only 5 volts. They can also be operated with a separate battery.. but why? If your A/C battery is down to 5.. then it really doesn't matter. They could also be made to illuminate an additional "front and center", brighter warning light.. or horn. The bar graph LED can be as small as 3/8" x 3/4".. so very little panel space is needed. And just as easily can be made to endure significant spikes or over-voltage conditions.

Jerry

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wrhobson@...> wrote:
>
> What with our ever-increasing reliance on airborne electronic gear I'd like to install a simple (cheap) alternator warning light in my plane. Something that would maybe blink and/or produce an audible alarm when the battery discharged below a pre-set level would be ideal. Has anybody run across such an item? Thanks.
>

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

Bill,

Consider adding 2 diodes in series with this device's power cable. Each diode makes a 0.6 volt difference. What that means to you is that with 2 diodes, the flashing blue happens at 12.4v. If you use 3, then blue flashes at 13.6v - which may be on the verge of too little distance to trouble. While your battery gives 12.6 when fully charged, if your plane is running the voltage should be >13.5v. IMHO leaving it at 11.2 is a little too far gone.

 

Bill Watson

bill@sportpilot.info

 

http://www.aa1car.com/library/battery_runs_down.htm

Battery Voltage and State of Charge:

12.68v . . . . . . . . . . 100%
12.45v . . . . . . . . . . 75%
12.24v . . . . . . . . . . 50%
12.06v . . . . . . . . . . 25%
11.89v . . . . . . . . . . 0%

(NOTE: these readings are at 80 degrees F. Battery voltage readings will drop with temperature roughly 0.01 volts for every 10 degrees F.)
(At 30 degrees F. a fully charged battery will measure about 12.588 volts, and at zero degrees F it will measure about 12.516 volts.)

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hobson
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:09 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

Actually, I found exactly what I was looking for at an RC Helicopter web store (Google to the rescue again!). It was $6 and has an LED and an audible alarm. It's about 1" long, 3/4" wide and 1/4" thick. It has a solid blue LED if the battery is >11.3 volts, a flashing blue LED if the battery falls to between 11.2 and 10.2 volts, a flashing red LED if the battery goes below 10.2 volts and a solid RED LED and an audible alarm if the battery falls below 9.2 volts. I rigged it temporarily so it plugs into the cigarette lighter and have it attached to the panel with velcro. Now if the belt breaks, the alternator stops working or the idiot pilot forgets to turn the Alternator and Field switches on (a repeat of which in my case is very unlikely), the radio failure won't come as a sudden surprise.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: flybellaire2004

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:50 AM

Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Alternator Warning Light

 

 

Hi,
No desire to step on toes.. I didn't read all the posts on this. Having an extensive background in electronics, there ARE Digital bar graph integrated circuits, which will drive a bar graph LED. They consume about 20 ma (almost non existent power wise), and the needed voltage to operate is only 5 volts. They can also be operated with a separate battery.. but why? If your A/C battery is down to 5.. then it really doesn't matter. They could also be made to illuminate an additional "front and center", brighter warning light.. or horn. The bar graph LED can be as small as 3/8" x 3/4".. so very little panel space is needed. And just as easily can be made to endure significant spikes or over-voltage conditions.

Jerry

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wrhobson@...> wrote:
>
> What with our ever-increasing reliance on airborne electronic gear I'd like to install a simple (cheap) alternator warning light in my plane. Something that would maybe blink and/or produce an audible alarm when the battery discharged below a pre-set level would be ideal. Has anybody run across such an item? Thanks.
>

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