Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: 162

Our plane is an Avid Flyer derivative except I believe it requires less rudder input than most other derivatives on the market because of certain specific changes we made to make it ASTM compliant.
It flies in fact similar to the SkyCatcher but Sky Catcher is faster in cruise by 15 knots and there is less adverse yaw during a turn on the SkyCatcher (expected).
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Abid
>  Having a 162 on the ramp should help your sales if your plane flies as good
> Peter
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:38 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: 162
>
>
>  
> Richard,
> I think in your passion you have started mixing threads. Poor Michael is talking about a Pipestral new offering for training and you are writing about the SkyCatcher.
> Why in the hell would I try and speak for the SkyCatcher. Its not a plane we sell or build. Our rental/instruction guy thought it would be a more prolific rental. We will see.
>
> But I got to tell you that your idea of a 300 pound person or someone even close even the typical norm is just not true.
> Yes 24 gallons is full fuel on SkyCatcher. It burns 4.5 gallons of fuel per hour. 3.5 hours of fuel (keeping 30 minute reserve) should than equate to 86 pounds of fuel.
> Per weight and loading document on the plane we got we thus have 374 pounds for pilot and passenger. That means each pilot and passenger can be 187 pounds.
> If you need a lesson that goes beyond 3 hours continuous, yes there has to be a reduction in fuel being carried. But generally our lessons don't go much beyond 1.5 or 1.6 hours in one go. So we only have to carry a bit over 2 hours worth of fuel and no we won't be taking on any 300 pound students. There are limits. 250 pounds should be ours.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Williams" <rkwill@> wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > Sorry, that is not correct.
> > The max payload is 490 pounds.
> > usable fuel, drain-able oil, luggage, and the humans are all part of that payload.
> >
> > The fuel load, ~144 pounds for 24 gallons, leaves 346 pounds.
> > assuming the oil in the engine is 8pounds, leaves 338 pounds.
> > Just about enough for 2 FAA standard' weight persons.
> >
> > Well, most American men weight are well above that 'FAA standard'.
> >
> > The documentation does say that as much as 50 pounds can be put in the
> > storage//luggage compartment.
> > But we cannot afford the extra weight.
> >
> > So, lets say the instructor weights 200 pounds.
> > that leaves 146 pounds for the student.
> > (assuming they can both crowd into the cockpit, it would be a real cosy fit.)
> > Hummmm......
> > I guess a cute little lady could qualify as the student without overloading the
> > plane.
> >
> > There seems to be only one possible conclusion:
> > the skycatcher is engineered to make flying more accessible for the female
> > population.
> >
> > The documentation I read did not mention the seat load limit, but the ASTM
> > required min value is 225pounds.
> >
> > If my 300pounds were to be training in the skycatcher and the seat did not
> > collapse, the instructor would have to stay on the ground.
> >
> > the documentation says a full tank will last a bit less than 4 hours.
> > If the fuel has to be reduced to accommodate the pilot/instructor, say by half,
> > then training time will be ~1.5 hours+plus reserve.
> >
> > Touch-n-go practice will eat the fuel at a much higher rate than cruise
> > consumption of 6gal./hr.
> >
> > I agree with Helen,
> > Training plane for solo training.
> >
> > R. Williams
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Michael Coates" <mcoates@>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:45:08 -0000
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group NEW Composite fully equipped LSA
> > trainer from Pipistrel for just $85K
> >
> > > Hello Helen, when the aircraft has FULL Fuel there is a leftover
> > > payload for pilot and passenger of 460 pounds, you have got to be a
> > > pretty fat instructor if this is a concern.
> > > Also its important to note that the aircraft is designed for the full
> > > 600 Kg (1320 lbs) payload limit for the LSA category and is registered
> > > at this maximum takeoff weight in a large number of countries that
> > > accept the LSA category but do not have the restrictions that are in
> > > place in the USA market.
> > > The maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft is reduced slightly in the
> > > US market so it can meet the stall requirements with zero flap. So the
> > > aircraft is capable of another 100 pounds payload in other markets
> > > around the world but it is restricted in the USA. You have got to
> > > agree with me however that 460 pounds payload is more than adequate
> > > when the aircraft is carrying full fuel. I would be interested in
> > > seeing comparisons with other aircraft because I know they don't carry
> > > any more.....
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@>
> > > wrote:>> Any plans to up the gross weight an hence the useful load?
> > > Right now its > yet another offering of a "solo trainer".> > Helen>
> > ------- End of Original Message -------
> >
>

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