Richard, actually your first statement is incorrect. The FAA ruling that I believe that you are referring to referred only to credit for dual instruction given my flight instructors certificated under subpart K of part 61. The vast majority of flight instructors such as myself are certificated under subpart H. For a sport pilot who trained under a subpart H instructor all training counts towards a PPL. For a sport pilot who trained under a subpart K instructor, all solo time as well as total time counts towards a PPL although not dual instruction time.
I expect that latter part to be changed favorably for sport pilots within the next year or so due to the hard work of a number of excellent instructors on this list who worked with AOPA to draft a petition for a rule change which was available for comment this summer. You did help the cause by submittingd your comments, didn't you?
Your second statement about sport pilots not being able to fly 4 place planes is true but completely irrelevant to Robert's post. I'm assuming from your comments that you must have been living under a rock this summer and be unaware of the petition that AOPA and EAA are codrafting for the FAA. The petition is basically to do away with the medical requirement for the rec certificate. That would effectively allow private pilots to exercise recreational pilot privileges (including flying 4 place planes) without a medical certificate. It would also allow sport pilots to ungrade to rec without a medical. This is something like the 4th or 5th attempt of AOPA and EAA to get this through but since they are now working together and have some data from the sport pilot experience, they have a better shot now at getting this passed than before.
What do both of these positive changes have in common? People stopped complaining and did something positive to affect change - namely submitted a petition for a rule change. Admittedly the ultralight situation is bad, but shooting down enthusiastic student pilots on this list is hardly an effective way to bring about change. Anyone can submit a petition for rule change. Might I suggest that that be a better output for your creative energies?
Helen
On 11/29/2011 8:55 AM, Richard Williams wrote:
Danner, THe FAA has already ruled that a SP certificate does NOT count toward a PPL. You cannot, with a SP certificate, be the pilot of a 4 place. The SP limitations/privileges for number of seats and MTO weight will keep the sport pilot out of a 4 place. IMO: (and the numbers bear this out.) The arrival of SP/LSA killed the fastest growing portion of aviation, I.E. the part 103 flying. True, there were lots of overweight single seat ULs and lots of BFIs flying 2 seat ULs that were not teaching. Nonethless, thousands were flying using part 103. Then came SP/LSA. That eliminated training for ULs, That eliminated the majority of the UL manufactures That killed UL flying. That raised the expense of flying to the point that most could not afford it. Personally, If I had not already learned how to fly and already owned my own craft, just the costs of training and purchase of a e-LSA to complete my training would keep me grounded. R. Williams ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Robert Danner <robertcdanner@comcast.net> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:51:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group We need your help!Hi Everyone, My name is Robert Danner. I am disabled with a mild case of cerebral palsy and I'm getting my sports pilot license, I believe that the sports pilot category is the best thing in a very long time. Even though for the last 40 plus year that the paralyzed have been able to fly with hand controls the sport pilot category is making it so other disabled people like myself has a equal chance to be able to fly. The most well know disabled non paralyzed person that has a sports pilot ticket is a girl in her 20's by the name of Jessica Cox and she has no arms. I'm turning 50 in January and it look like I will be the first disabled person with cerebral palsy with a sports pilot ticket. I believe that the sports pilot category is a great thing for everyone and not just for the disabled. I do not agree with the others that have said that they believe that the sports pilot is DOA, if anything it's alive and very well and great stepping stone to getting ones private pilot. Think of this soon one will be able to get a private pilot without a medical, and from what I'm reading when you goto get your private pilot without a medical you will be able to get a four seater with a 180hp engine, but you are only able to take yourself and your pet (dog) and one friend up at a time. Robert Danner On Nov 28, 2011, at 3:24 PM, James Ferris wrote:------- End of Original Message ------- ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: Sport_Aircraft-digest@yahoogroups.com Sport_Aircraft-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Sport_Aircraft-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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