Thursday, December 31, 2009

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Was: .....Paperwork, Now: Helen

I mostly lurk but I'd also like to complement Helen on being such a great resource too. I don't pay much attention to the "squabbles" about light sport regulations, aircraft types, etc. because I am forced into the light sport rules by medical issues and age. But I have a little Piper Vagabond and monitor this list for news about changes in regulations etc. Who knows? I may want some stick time in one of the newer light sports someday too. Anyway Helen, you are a real asset. I respect your knowledge and read your posts. My New Year's resolution is to use my Vag more this year and stay more current. See ya' round the patch. Joe

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> Thank you Helen,
>
> I haven't said it before, but you are a real asset to this group and I enjoy reading your very informative posts.
>
>
> Rod


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2231

I have to laugh every time I read a comment from some whiner about how the group isn't talking on an LSA topic. If whiners want to talk about LSA then do it and post a topic! Nothing stopping whiners from posting a LSA topic. The whiner's complaining is more annoying than most OT posts. People are so funny!

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> Can someone out there direct me to a group that actually talks about sport aircraft. I'm getting tired with this one that talks about almost anything but sport aviation.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group - Subject Line and Trimming Posts!



No problem. I was asking on behalf of the group and if replies are on top, it is not necessary to go all the way to the bottom to glean new information. I was looking for protocol, not opinion. I deliberately did not trim to make the point that it's not necessary if all replies are on top. Not using digest mode except for another list many years ago, I remember it was a huge PITA and terribly unruly for an active list. I will gladly follow list protocol and I see your point. I have to admit, I've gotten lazy and will try think about those in digest mode prior to future replies. Have a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
 
Ted

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Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:24:33 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group - Subject Line and Trimming Posts!

 

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 07:30:33PM -0800, Ted Gelletly wrote:
> I don't use the digest mode, but why can't the subject line be on topic
> rather than Digest Number xxxx? Do users of digest have to manually do
> this? Please do. Same for replies to Digest Mode subject lines.

This is a reasonable request...but, in return:

> I understand trimming posts, but if the replies are on top, we have the
> option of reading down as far as we would like. No? I've seen posters on
> other lists trim all but their reply without giving us a clue as to what
> they might be replying. Is there a protocol for this list? Thanks.

If you're going to ask digesters to accommodate you, why not work to
accommodate them by trimming away all but what you're replying to, as I've
done here? It's a two-way street.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group - Subject Line and Trimming Posts!

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 07:30:33PM -0800, Ted Gelletly wrote:
> I don't use the digest mode, but why can't the subject line be on topic
> rather than Digest Number xxxx? Do users of digest have to manually do
> this? Please do. Same for replies to Digest Mode subject lines.

This is a reasonable request...but, in return:

> I understand trimming posts, but if the replies are on top, we have the
> option of reading down as far as we would like. No? I've seen posters on
> other lists trim all but their reply without giving us a clue as to what
> they might be replying. Is there a protocol for this list? Thanks.

If you're going to ask digesters to accommodate you, why not work to
accommodate them by trimming away all but what you're replying to, as I've
done here? It's a two-way street.
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Wednesday, December 30, 2009

RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group - Subject Line and Trimming Posts!



I would strongly suggest that anyone receiving the digest and has found something they want to comment about, go to the yahoo site to that message and make a reply there. I do believe that is the intent of the digest option. This would serve us all better and reduce the clutter one has to go through on any of the groups.
 
In a digest there can be several subjects in involved with the posts included in it. The only real thing they can title it is digest number XXX.
 
Thanks. Any other suggestions?
 

Gary Orpe

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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:31 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group - Subject Line and Trimming Posts!

 

I don't use the digest mode, but why can't the subject line be on topic rather than Digest Number xxxx? Do users of digest have to manually do this? Please do. Same for replies to Digest Mode subject lines. I understand trimming posts, but if the replies are on top, we have the option of reading down as far as we would like. No? I've seen posters on other lists trim all but their reply without giving us a clue as to what they might be replying. Is there a protocol for this list? Thanks.
 
Ted Gelletly

From: Michael Huckle <m230683@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 11:11:24 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Digest Number 2231

 



> 4a. Re: Digest Number 2231
> Posted by: "Philip Palmer" philwpalmer@ yahoo.com philwpalmer
> Date: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:24 pm ((PST))
>
> Can someone out there direct me to a group that actually talks
> about sport aircraft.

Well, you sure punished us good...
by cunningly posting an entire digest back at everyone.

> I'm getting tired with this one .....

Oh shame!  A poor tired pilot.
Please rest before flying again.
;-)

> ... that talks about almost anything but sport aviation.

Rubbish.
In one short period after a significant aviation event
(an attack by a nutter on an airliner),
there was discussion about this event.
But the group's long-time record is that it **DOES** talk
primarily about Sport Aviation.
Your accusation above is rejected!
.... besides,
just talk about Sport Aviation yourself and you will already
be working towards the goal, "more Sport Aviation talk".

Sport Aviation requires a lot of things, two prime amongst
them are "adequate cash" and "adequate freedom to fly".
Both of these are likely to have been impacted, even if only 1%,
by the latest nutter.

Sport Aviation Topic:
But if anyone doesn't want to consider possible negative ramifications
of an outside world on our Sport, then I'm also capable of discussing the
best oil for minimal wear in the 2-stroke engine used on my Sport Aircraft.
I'm using the Walmart blend, at about $12 a gallon.
And my oil injector mixes it for me at about 70:1.
So my oil is costing me about 50c per hour.

Cheers,
Mike

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group - Subject Line and Trimming Posts!



I don't use the digest mode, but why can't the subject line be on topic rather than Digest Number xxxx? Do users of digest have to manually do this? Please do. Same for replies to Digest Mode subject lines. I understand trimming posts, but if the replies are on top, we have the option of reading down as far as we would like. No? I've seen posters on other lists trim all but their reply without giving us a clue as to what they might be replying. Is there a protocol for this list? Thanks.
 
Ted Gelletly

From: Michael Huckle <m230683@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 11:11:24 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Digest Number 2231

 



> 4a. Re: Digest Number 2231
> Posted by: "Philip Palmer" philwpalmer@ yahoo.com philwpalmer
> Date: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:24 pm ((PST))
>
> Can someone out there direct me to a group that actually talks
> about sport aircraft.

Well, you sure punished us good...
by cunningly posting an entire digest back at everyone.

> I'm getting tired with this one .....

Oh shame!  A poor tired pilot.
Please rest before flying again.
;-)

> ... that talks about almost anything but sport aviation.

Rubbish.
In one short period after a significant aviation event
(an attack by a nutter on an airliner),
there was discussion about this event.
But the group's long-time record is that it **DOES** talk
primarily about Sport Aviation.
Your accusation above is rejected!
.... besides,
just talk about Sport Aviation yourself and you will already
be working towards the goal, "more Sport Aviation talk".

Sport Aviation requires a lot of things, two prime amongst
them are "adequate cash" and "adequate freedom to fly".
Both of these are likely to have been impacted, even if only 1%,
by the latest nutter.

Sport Aviation Topic:
But if anyone doesn't want to consider possible negative ramifications
of an outside world on our Sport, then I'm also capable of discussing the
best oil for minimal wear in the 2-stroke engine used on my Sport Aircraft.
I'm using the Walmart blend, at about $12 a gallon.
And my oil injector mixes it for me at about 70:1.
So my oil is costing me about 50c per hour.

Cheers,
Mike

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Purchase paper work

Thank you Helen,

I haven't said it before, but you are a real asset to this group and I enjoy reading your very informative posts.


Rod


--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> For any plane purchase, I suggest using AOPA's plane purchase services.
> I think it was $100 when I bought my plane and they it included a full
> title search for liens and such as well as the bill of sale and all of
> the rest of the legal paperwork needed to transfer a plane. It's been
> several years, but I presume they still have this service available. I
> also noted on their web site they now have a sample sales agreement you
> can use for free.
>
> Helen
>
> fishmaster232 wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just bought a E-AB LSA and the previous owner said he would have all the paperwork ready when I pick the plane up.
> >
> > I was wondering, what are the required forms to do this transaction?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Rod
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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> 4a. Re: Digest Number 2231
> Posted by: "Philip Palmer" philwpalmer@yahoo.com philwpalmer
> Date: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:24 pm ((PST))
>
> Can someone out there direct me to a group that actually talks
> about sport aircraft.

Well, you sure punished us good...
by cunningly posting an entire digest back at everyone.


> I'm getting tired with this one .....

Oh shame!  A poor tired pilot.
Please rest before flying again.
;-)

> ... that talks about almost anything but sport aviation.

Rubbish.
In one short period after a significant aviation event
(an attack by a nutter on an airliner),
there was discussion about this event.
But the group's long-time record is that it **DOES** talk
primarily about Sport Aviation.
Your accusation above is rejected!
.... besides,
just talk about Sport Aviation yourself and you will already
be working towards the goal, "more Sport Aviation talk".

Sport Aviation requires a lot of things, two prime amongst
them are "adequate cash" and "adequate freedom to fly".
Both of these are likely to have been impacted, even if only 1%,
by the latest nutter.

Sport Aviation Topic:
But if anyone doesn't want to consider possible negative ramifications
of an outside world on our Sport, then I'm also capable of discussing the
best oil for minimal wear in the 2-stroke engine used on my Sport Aircraft.
I'm using the Walmart blend, at about $12 a gallon.
And my oil injector mixes it for me at about 70:1.
So my oil is costing me about 50c per hour.


Cheers,
Mike

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Purchase paper work



Helen: Thanks for mentioning that. I am on the verge of purchasing a plane myself and your suggestion was very timely. I'll check out the AOPA process.
 
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For any plane purchase, I suggest using AOPA's plane purchase services.
I think it was $100 when I bought my plane and they it included a full
title search for liens and such as well as the bill of sale and all of
the rest of the legal paperwork needed to transfer a plane. It's been
several years, but I presume they still have this service available. I
also noted on their web site they now have a sample sales agreement you
can use for free.

Helen

fishmaster232 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just bought a E-AB LSA and the previous owner said he would have all the paperwork ready when I pick the plane up.
>
> I was wondering, what are the required forms to do this transaction?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Purchase paper work

For any plane purchase, I suggest using AOPA's plane purchase services.
I think it was $100 when I bought my plane and they it included a full
title search for liens and such as well as the bill of sale and all of
the rest of the legal paperwork needed to transfer a plane. It's been
several years, but I presume they still have this service available. I
also noted on their web site they now have a sample sales agreement you
can use for free.

Helen

fishmaster232 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just bought a E-AB LSA and the previous owner said he would have all the paperwork ready when I pick the plane up.
>
> I was wondering, what are the required forms to do this transaction?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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<<<BTW, it would be very helpful if you would trim your postings ...>>>

Amen.

This list is incredibly tedious to read with all the copied text.

I've been on a lot of boards and sites over the years and this is the only one where this (the insertion of MAJOR blocks of quoted text) is a serious issue.

Is the problem inherent in the way the "Reply" function is set up to default? Or is it a problem with education in BBS etiquette?

In either case it makes the list so hard to read I may end up accidentally skipping over some gems of information while being forced to scroll past text I've already read numerous times.

Oh, well, Merry Christmas (or Chanukah or whatever) and Happy New Year to all!

Fast Eddie B. (Ed Benson - Mineral Bluff, GA)
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Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Purchase paper work

Hi all,

I just bought a E-AB LSA and the previous owner said he would have all the paperwork ready when I pick the plane up.

I was wondering, what are the required forms to do this transaction?

Thanks,


Rod

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Off topic discussions...

Thanks Helen. I'm the guilty party for starting it. Sorry for dragging everyone off-course.

Brian

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> While I know that many of you are having a field day discussing the
> underpants bomber (who wouldn't?!), the subject really has nothing to do
> with LSAs. As such, I kindly request on the behalf of everyone who
> joined this list to talk about LSAs, that the underpants bomber string
> be ended this evening and that tomorrow (December 30th) all discussion
> on this group be brought back to LSAs and related subjects.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2231

Phillip,

My apologies for helping steer this off course. This is related when
you consider that this will impact air travel. I believe that both
commercial and recreational pilots might see some changes because of
this.

You have the right to begin a new thread and pass on the current one.
The moderators have been generous but have also asked that this be
ended tonight.

BTW, it would be very helpful if you would trim your postings ...

Dale

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Underwear bomber and Sport Pilots

Yep! Bringing this back into focus ... how do you believe this will
impact sport pilots and sport aircraft? What new hoops can they make?

The better question, I guess, is what can we do now as pilots and owners
as a proactive measure to help protect not only our interest but the
interest and freedom of others?

Dale

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> The repercussions will be a significant reduction in air travel,
> then the airlines will be looking for a bailout,
> then their management will collect fat bonuses.
> Meanwhile, back at TSA, their numbers will have to continue to
> increase, all sucking off the teat of "gubment money" pulled out of
> thin air, which has the effect of making the "people" work longer
> before retiring, and having a crappier retirement.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Off topic discussions...

Will do ... and thanks for your patience!

Dale

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> While I know that many of you are having a field day discussing the
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> joined this list to talk about LSAs, that the underpants bomber string
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> on this group be brought back to LSAs and related subjects.

> Thanks,
> Helen (a group moderator)

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2230

He's shameless that way ...

Dale

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> Anyone interested in forming a flying club in SW Florida? 10 - 15
> members and a couple of Challenger IIs? This could also lead to a
> Children's Aviation Center - with some alternative energy(s)
> intergrated into it. Visit www.navalairestates.com for more
> information. I hope to have the club page up to date - with
> downsized info - and the same for the 'Center' shortly.

> Happy Holidays - and good Sport Plane Flying! Bob McDonagh

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Can someone out there direct me to a group that actually talks about sport aircraft. I'm getting tired with this one that talks about almost anything but sport aviation.

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1b.
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1a.

Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

Posted by: "James Ferris" mijniljj@yahoo.com   mijniljj

Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:42 am (PST)



That Flomax is a really bad idea, they gave me that when I was in the hospitol and my blood pressure droped to 60 over 30  and my kidneys failed completly,  I almost died, they put me in ICU for a week to save my life. if I had not been in the hospitol where they could out me in ICU quicklley I would not have made it.
Jim

____________ _________ _________ __
From: "medicbill@aol. com" <medicbill@aol. com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 5:56:19 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

 
Lets look at this in another perspective. This guy got on the plane in Amsterdam. Oh wait that is not the US so maybe they should look at the security issues there instead of here. So now to make flying on commercial airlines more irritating then it already is now all flights not just international flights you have further restrictions. Not sure how older folks are going to be able to handle not getting up the last hour. Maybe should invest in stock of the company that makes Flomax.

In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:31:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wrhobson@aol. com writes:

>
>
>Pretty soon they'll just have us flying naked.
> 
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: brianmacgeek
>>To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
>>Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:06 PM
>>Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?
>>
>> 
>>Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem? I mean really....? You can't go to the bathroom an hour before landing. You can't have anything on your lap during the last hour. No blanket, no PDA, no... laptop.
>>
>>The more I hear about this stuff the more I just shake my head and am glad I'm working toward a license. I picture some day where it's going to be so stupid-ridiculous to fly commercially that people are going to start either a. not traveling at all, or b. getting their own private license to avoid flying via the commercial airlines entirely - at least continentally.
>>
>>The next thing you know the terrorists are going to weave the bomb into their clothes - so they'll ban clothes when flying, which could prove, uhm, interesting? It's not a far stretch, after all, the shoe bomber managed to have us all have to take our shoes off at the airport now.
>>
>>I'm not trying to advocate getting rid of security all together, but lets use some common sense folks. There are many very well documented cases of people intentionally getting around security. The whole 3oz. limit of fluids (or whatever level it is) is ridiculous as well. If 10 terrorists got together on a 250 seat plane with 10 bottles, that would make more than enough of any explosive to get on board... heck, even 3oz. of the right item could be bad (I'm no chemist, but I can't imagine 10 minutes of Googling wouldn't turn up something).
>>
>>*sigh*.... sorry, and thanks for letting me vent.
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

Posted by: "Dan" lndc2000@yahoo.com   lndc2000

Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:13 am (PST)



Well then, give the fire starter some flomax and send him on his way back home. Problem solved. Better yet, Should have allowed the passengers to shut off his air supply. Much more cost effective and sends a message to the rest of the people that want that type of headlines. Sorry that you almost died from it. Hopefully you recovered completely.
Dan

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, James Ferris <mijniljj@.. .> wrote:
>
> That Flomax is a really bad idea, they gave me that when I was in the hospitol and my blood pressure droped to 60 over 30  and my kidneys failed completly,  I almost died, they put me in ICU for a week to save my life. if I had not been in the hospitol where they could out me in ICU quicklley I would not have made it.
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: "medicbill@. .." <medicbill@. ..>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 5:56:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...
>
>  
> Lets look at this in another perspective. This guy got on the plane in Amsterdam. Oh wait that is not the US so maybe they should look at the security issues there instead of here. So now to make flying on commercial airlines more irritating then it already is now all flights not just international flights you have further restrictions. Not sure how older folks are going to be able to handle not getting up the last hour. Maybe should invest in stock of the company that makes Flomax.
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:31:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wrhobson@aol. com writes:
>
> >
> >
> >Pretty soon they'll just have us flying naked.
> > 
> >----- Original Message -----
> >>From: brianmacgeek
> >>To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> >>Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:06 PM
> >>Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?
> >>
> >> 
> >>Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem? I mean really....? You can't go to the bathroom an hour before landing. You can't have anything on your lap during the last hour. No blanket, no PDA, no... laptop.
> >>
> >>The more I hear about this stuff the more I just shake my head and am glad I'm working toward a license. I picture some day where it's going to be so stupid-ridiculous to fly commercially that people are going to start either a. not traveling at all, or b. getting their own private license to avoid flying via the commercial airlines entirely - at least continentally.
> >>
> >>The next thing you know the terrorists are going to weave the bomb into their clothes - so they'll ban clothes when flying, which could prove, uhm, interesting? It's not a far stretch, after all, the shoe bomber managed to have us all have to take our shoes off at the airport now.
> >>
> >>I'm not trying to advocate getting rid of security all together, but lets use some common sense folks. There are many very well documented cases of people intentionally getting around security. The whole 3oz. limit of fluids (or whatever level it is) is ridiculous as well. If 10 terrorists got together on a 250 seat plane with 10 bottles, that would make more than enough of any explosive to get on board... heck, even 3oz. of the right item could be bad (I'm no chemist, but I can't imagine 10 minutes of Googling wouldn't turn up something).
> >>
> >>*sigh*.... sorry, and thanks for letting me vent.
> >>
> >>Brian
> >>
> >>
>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

Posted by: "brianmacgeek" brian@garrett.net   brianmacgeek

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:19 am (PST)



Gary - I'm with you on this. The only problem with that philosophy is they are ready to "die for their cause". Which basically means killing him makes him a martyr for his cause. I couldn't think of a better candidate to capture and imprison and making him live out his full life in a jail cell. That in itself is an extreme deterrent for them, as well as it's own special kind of legal torture.

Can you imagine if they knew that if they were caught they would be forced to live out the rest of their days in an American prison rather than die for their cause? That's a scary thought since they were prepared to die for what they believed in. :D

Brian

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Gary Orpe" <garyo@...> wrote:
>
> The incident was an proclaimed act of war. He wants to die for his cause,
> let him walk the street before the car bomb goes off for us, or just shoot
> him. That's the message I would like to send anyone who is at war with us.
> Sorry if that offends someone, but that's what makes this country great.
> Not the survival of the Delta Smelt, 2" fish in Kalifornia.
>
> With the mentality of today this country would never had been. Of course
> this is IMHO. What say you?
>
>
> Gary Orpe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of brianmacgeek
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:39 PM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic
> discussion for...
>
>
>
>
> I completely agree with you... but another way to look at it is, how often
> do you (or 20 to 60k of your closest friends) willingly walk into a
> sporting event, where there's minimal pat-down and bag inspection. Oh wait
> - I can bring more than 3oz. of liquid into the game if it's in a sealed
> bottle. Like that can't be done on the sly. It sure wouldn't be hard to
> really impact a lot of folks in a negative way by doing that.
>
> So what I'm trying to say is, we live in a dangerous world, but we
> shouldn't have to live in fear, or have even the most basic of human
> dignity (going to the bathroom) impacted simply because we have a small
> group of nutcases running around who think they are going to impact the
> world simply by terrorizing the rest of us. The whole thing really just
> makes me sick.
>
> Live life to the fullest, be sensibly aware of your surroundings, but
> don't live in fear of what "could" happen.
>
> Brian
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ <mailto:Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com, medicbill@ wrote:
> >
> > Lets look at this in another perspective. This guy got on the plane in
> > Amsterdam. Oh wait that is not the US so maybe they should look at the
> security
> > issues there instead of here. So now to make flying on commercial
> airlines
> > more irritating then it already is now all flights not just
> international
> > flights you have further restrictions. Not sure how older folks are
> going
> > to be able to handle not getting up the last hour. Maybe should invest
> in
> > stock of the company that makes Flomax.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:31:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > wrhobson@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Pretty soon they'll just have us flying naked.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: _brianmacgeek_ (mailto:brian@ )
> > To: _Sport_Aircraft@ <mailto:_Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com_
> > (mailto:Sport_ Aircraft@ <mailto:Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com)
> > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic
> > discussion for the day?
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself on
> fire
> > over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem? I mean
> really....?
> > You can't go to the bathroom an hour before landing. You can't have
> > anything on your lap during the last hour. No blanket, no PDA, no...
> laptop.
> >
> > The more I hear about this stuff the more I just shake my head and am
> glad
> > I'm working toward a license. I picture some day where it's going to be
> so
> > stupid-ridiculous to fly commercially that people are going to start
> > either a. not traveling at all, or b. getting their own private license
> to avoid
> > flying via the commercial airlines entirely - at least continentally.
> >
> > The next thing you know the terrorists are going to weave the bomb into
> > their clothes - so they'll ban clothes when flying, which could prove,
> uhm,
> > interesting? It's not a far stretch, after all, the shoe bomber managed
> to
> > have us all have to take our shoes off at the airport now.
> >
> > I'm not trying to advocate getting rid of security all together, but
> lets
> > use some common sense folks. There are many very well documented cases
> of
> > people intentionally getting around security. The whole 3oz. limit of
> fluids
> > (or whatever level it is) is ridiculous as well. If 10 terrorists got
> > together on a 250 seat plane with 10 bottles, that would make more than
> enough
> > of any explosive to get on board... heck, even 3oz. of the right item
> could
> > be bad (I'm no chemist, but I can't imagine 10 minutes of Googling
> > wouldn't turn up something).
> >
> > *sigh*.... sorry, and thanks for letting me vent.
> >
> > Brian
> >
>

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Posted by: "Rick Pitcher" lightflyer@adelphia.net   rickpitcher

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:31 am (PST)





--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@...> wrote:
>
> Gary - I'm with you on this. The only problem with that philosophy is they are ready to "die for their cause". Which basically means killing him makes him a martyr for his cause. I couldn't think of a better candidate to capture and imprison and making him live out his full life in a jail cell. That in itself is an extreme deterrent for them, as well as it's own special kind of legal torture.
>
> Can you imagine if they knew that if they were caught they would be forced to live out the rest of their days in an American prison rather than die for their cause? That's a scary thought since they were prepared to die for what they believed in. :D
>
> Brian

Yes!
Good idea.
Make them suffer a long and wasted life in prison.
And throw that stupid "code pink" Cindy Sheehan in there with them for giving them moral support.
All these pinko protesters are making this the Divided States of America.

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Posted by: "Bill Hobson" wrhobson@aol.com   billhobson@rocketmail.com

Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:41 am (PST)



So in a small way they are stimulating our economy. (Perhaps if we pointed that out to them they'd stop it already.)
----- Original Message -----
From: medicbill@aol. com
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

They are winning because they we are living in fear. Just look at what they have done to our freedoms our commercial airlines and general aviation. The biggest winners are the companies who make all the new equipment that airlines and airports are forced to purchase in the name of safety which are trickled down to all of us in the way of fees and taxes added on to the price to a airline ticket.

In a message dated 12/28/2009 8:39:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, brian@garrett. net writes:
I completely agree with you... but another way to look at it is, how often do you (or 20 to 60k of your closest friends) willingly walk into a sporting event, where there's minimal pat-down and bag inspection. Oh wait - I can bring more than 3oz. of liquid into the game if it's in a sealed bottle. Like that can't be done on the sly. It sure wouldn't be hard to really impact a lot of folks in a negative way by doing that.

So what I'm trying to say is, we live in a dangerous world, but we shouldn't have to live in fear, or have even the most basic of human dignity (going to the bathroom) impacted simply because we have a small group of nutcases running around who think they are going to impact the world simply by terrorizing the rest of us. The whole thing really just makes me sick.

Live life to the fullest, be sensibly aware of your surroundings, but don't live in fear of what "could" happen.

Brian

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
> Lets look at this in another perspective. This guy got on the plane in
> Amsterdam. Oh wait that is not the US so maybe they should look at the security
> issues there instead of here. So now to make flying on commercial airlines
> more irritating then it already is now all flights not just international
> flights you have further restrictions. Not sure how older folks are going
> to be able to handle not getting up the last hour. Maybe should invest in
> stock of the company that makes Flomax.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:31:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> wrhobson@... writes:
>
>
>
> Pretty soon they'll just have us flying naked.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: _brianmacgeek_ (mailto:brian@ ...)
> To: _Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com_
> (mailto:Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com)
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:06 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic
> discussion for the day?
>
>
>
> Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself on fire
> over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem? I mean really....?
> You can't go to the bathroom an hour before landing. You can't have
> anything on your lap during the last hour. No blanket, no PDA, no... laptop.
>
> The more I hear about this stuff the more I just shake my head and am glad
> I'm working toward a license. I picture some day where it's going to be so
> stupid-ridiculous to fly commercially that people are going to start
> either a. not traveling at all, or b. getting their own private license to avoid
> flying via the commercial airlines entirely - at least continentally.
>
> The next thing you know the terrorists are going to weave the bomb into
> their clothes - so they'll ban clothes when flying, which could prove, uhm,
> interesting? It's not a far stretch, after all, the shoe bomber managed to
> have us all have to take our shoes off at the airport now.
>
> I'm not trying to advocate getting rid of security all together, but lets
> use some common sense folks. There are many very well documented cases of
> people intentionally getting around security. The whole 3oz. limit of fluids
> (or whatever level it is) is ridiculous as well. If 10 terrorists got
> together on a 250 seat plane with 10 bottles, that would make more than enough
> of any explosive to get on board... heck, even 3oz. of the right item could
> be bad (I'm no chemist, but I can't imagine 10 minutes of Googling
> wouldn't turn up something).
>
> *sigh*.... sorry, and thanks for letting me vent.
>
> Brian
>

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Posted by: "Bill Hobson" wrhobson@aol.com   billhobson@rocketmail.com

Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:45 am (PST)



Yikes. (Things the doctor doesn't mention?) Good to know.

----- Original Message -----
From: James Ferris
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

That Flomax is a really bad idea, they gave me that when I was in the hospitol and my blood pressure droped to 60 over 30 and my kidneys failed completly, I almost died, they put me in ICU for a week to save my life. if I had not been in the hospitol where they could out me in ICU quicklley I would not have made it.
Jim

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From: "medicbill@aol. com" <medicbill@aol. com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 5:56:19 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

Lets look at this in another perspective. This guy got on the plane in Amsterdam. Oh wait that is not the US so maybe they should look at the security issues there instead of here. So now to make flying on commercial airlines more irritating then it already is now all flights not just international flights you have further restrictions. Not sure how older folks are going to be able to handle not getting up the last hour. Maybe should invest in stock of the company that makes Flomax.

In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:31:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wrhobson@aol. com writes:

Pretty soon they'll just have us flying naked.

----- Original Message -----
From: brianmacgeek
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?

Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem? I mean really....? You can't go to the bathroom an hour before landing. You can't have anything on your lap during the last hour. No blanket, no PDA, no... laptop.

The more I hear about this stuff the more I just shake my head and am glad I'm working toward a license. I picture some day where it's going to be so stupid-ridiculous to fly commercially that people are going to start either a. not traveling at all, or b. getting their own private license to avoid flying via the commercial airlines entirely - at least continentally.

The next thing you know the terrorists are going to weave the bomb into their clothes - so they'll ban clothes when flying, which could prove, uhm, interesting? It's not a far stretch, after all, the shoe bomber managed to have us all have to take our shoes off at the airport now.

I'm not trying to advocate getting rid of security all together, but lets use some common sense folks. There are many very well documented cases of people intentionally getting around security. The whole 3oz. limit of fluids (or whatever level it is) is ridiculous as well. If 10 terrorists got together on a 250 seat plane with 10 bottles, that would make more than enough of any explosive to get on board... heck, even 3oz. of the right item could be bad (I'm no chemist, but I can't imagine 10 minutes of Googling wouldn't turn up something).

*sigh*.... sorry, and thanks for letting me vent.

Brian

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Posted by: "Bill Hobson" wrhobson@aol.com   billhobson@rocketmail.com

Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:54 am (PST)



Sorry this is off-topic but these are my final 2 cents. I think we should start the rumor that the 40 virgins these guys are striving for are all guys.

----- Original Message -----
From: brianmacgeek
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for...

Gary - I'm with you on this. The only problem with that philosophy is they are ready to "die for their cause". Which basically means killing him makes him a martyr for his cause. I couldn't think of a better candidate to capture and imprison and making him live out his full life in a jail cell. That in itself is an extreme deterrent for them, as well as it's own special kind of legal torture.

Can you imagine if they knew that if they were caught they would be forced to live out the rest of their days in an American prison rather than die for their cause? That's a scary thought since they were prepared to die for what they believed in. :D

Brian

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Gary Orpe" <garyo@...> wrote:
>
> The incident was an proclaimed act of war. He wants to die for his cause,
> let him walk the street before the car bomb goes off for us, or just shoot
> him. That's the message I would like to send anyone who is at war with us.
> Sorry if that offends someone, but that's what makes this country great.
> Not the survival of the Delta Smelt, 2" fish in Kalifornia.
>
> With the mentality of today this country would never had been. Of course
> this is IMHO. What say you?
>
>
> Gary Orpe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of brianmacgeek
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:39 PM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic
> discussion for...
>
>
>
>
> I completely agree with you... but another way to look at it is, how often
> do you (or 20 to 60k of your closest friends) willingly walk into a
> sporting event, where there's minimal pat-down and bag inspection. Oh wait
> - I can bring more than 3oz. of liquid into the game if it's in a sealed
> bottle. Like that can't be done on the sly. It sure wouldn't be hard to
> really impact a lot of folks in a negative way by doing that.
>
> So what I'm trying to say is, we live in a dangerous world, but we
> shouldn't have to live in fear, or have even the most basic of human
> dignity (going to the bathroom) impacted simply because we have a small
> group of nutcases running around who think they are going to impact the
> world simply by terrorizing the rest of us. The whole thing really just
> makes me sick.
>
> Live life to the fullest, be sensibly aware of your surroundings, but
> don't live in fear of what "could" happen.
>
> Brian
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ <mailto:Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com, medicbill@ wrote:
> >
> > Lets look at this in another perspective. This guy got on the plane in
> > Amsterdam. Oh wait that is not the US so maybe they should look at the
> security
> > issues there instead of here. So now to make flying on commercial
> airlines
> > more irritating then it already is now all flights not just
> international
> > flights you have further restrictions. Not sure how older folks are
> going
> > to be able to handle not getting up the last hour. Maybe should invest
> in
> > stock of the company that makes Flomax.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:31:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > wrhobson@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Pretty soon they'll just have us flying naked.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: _brianmacgeek_ (mailto:brian@ )
> > To: _Sport_Aircraft@ <mailto:_Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com_
> > (mailto:Sport_ Aircraft@ <mailto:Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com)
> > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic
> > discussion for the day?
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself on
> fire
> > over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem? I mean
> really....?
> > You can't go to the bathroom an hour before landing. You can't have
> > anything on your lap during the last hour. No blanket, no PDA, no...
> laptop.
> >
> > The more I hear about this stuff the more I just shake my head and am
> glad
> > I'm working toward a license. I picture some day where it's going to be
> so
> > stupid-ridiculous to fly commercially that people are going to start
> > either a. not traveling at all, or b. getting their own private license
> to avoid
> > flying via the commercial airlines entirely - at least continentally.
> >
> > The next thing you know the terrorists are going to weave the bomb into
> > their clothes - so they'll ban clothes when flying, which could prove,
> uhm,
> > interesting? It's not a far stretch, after all, the shoe bomber managed
> to
> > have us all have to take our shoes off at the airport now.
> >
> > I'm not trying to advocate getting rid of security all together, but
> lets
> > use some common sense folks. There are many very well documented cases
> of
> > people intentionally getting around security. The whole 3oz. limit of
> fluids
> > (or whatever level it is) is ridiculous as well. If 10 terrorists got
> > together on a 250 seat plane with 10 bottles, that would make more than
> enough
> > of any explosive to get on board... heck, even 3oz. of the right item
> could
> > be bad (I'm no chemist, but I can't imagine 10 minutes of Googling
> > wouldn't turn up something).
> >
> > *sigh*.... sorry, and thanks for letting me vent.
> >
> > Brian
> >
>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion...

Posted by: "Jim Bair" jimbair@live.com   jim_bair

Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:08 am (PST)



I like that plan. Unfortunately, the doors won't open, but philosophically
I like it.

Jim

From: medicbill@aol. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:14 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY
off-topic discussion.. .

Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and killed
everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It comes down to
this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well planned out and it simply
did not work.

In a message dated 12/28/2009 11:06:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
daleandee@yahoo. com writes:

The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
successful.

Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.

My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.

Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...

Dale

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@...> wrote:

> Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> I mean really....? <SNIP>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion...

Posted by: "brianmacgeek" brian@garrett.net   brianmacgeek

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:31 am (PST)



I think someone who tries to kill themselves for a cause by definition is someone who isn't very smart... :)

Brian

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and killed
> everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It comes down to
> this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well planned out and it simply
> did not work.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2009 11:06:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> daleandee@.. . writes:
>
>
>
> The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
> take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
> successful.
>
> Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
> guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
> we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
> at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.
>
> My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
> rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
> behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.
>
> Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...
>
> Dale
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@> wrote:
>
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> > on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> > I mean really....? <SNIP>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion...

Posted by: "brianmacgeek" brian@garrett.net   brianmacgeek

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:36 am (PST)



Maybe we can get them to retro-fit all of the larger jets with a "terrorist-eject" room. Stick them in there and "flush" them out of the plane. :D

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Jim Bair" <jimbair@... > wrote:
>
> I like that plan. Unfortunately, the doors won't open, but philosophically
> I like it.
>
> Jim
>
> From: medicbill@.. .
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:14 AM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY
> off-topic discussion.. .
>
>
>
>
> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and killed
> everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It comes down to
> this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well planned out and it simply
> did not work.
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2009 11:06:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> daleandee@.. . writes:
>
>
> The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
> take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
> successful.
>
> Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
> guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
> we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
> at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.
>
> My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
> rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
> behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.
>
> Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...
>
> Dale
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@> wrote:
>
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> > on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> > I mean really....? <SNIP>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion...

Posted by: "daleandee" daleandee@yahoo.com   daleandee

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:39 am (PST)





Jim,

I knew all of this when I originally posted the thought. My belief is
that we, as a nation of people, need to deal with this kind of evil
immediately and fiercely.

I have the same thoughts as to other evils also. A recent local story
told of a couple coming home only to find a neighbor in the act of
molesting their three year old daughter. (Don't know how he got
access). The story went on to say what he was charged with in court.

My apologizes to any that are offended but had I found a man molesting
ANY three year old child ... he would not have made it to court.

Dale

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Jim Bair" <jimbair@... > wrote:

> I like that plan. Unfortunately, the doors won't open, but
> philosophically I like it.

> Jim

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion...

Posted by: "James Ferris" mijniljj@yahoo.com   mijniljj

Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:53 am (PST)



You have to believe!!!!! you forgot about the 72 virgins diden't you.
Jim

____________ _________ _________ __
From: brianmacgeek <brian@garrett. net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 12:27:36 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .

 
I think someone who tries to kill themselves for a cause by definition is someone who isn't very smart... :)

Brian

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and killed
> everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It comes down to
> this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well planned out and it simply
> did not work.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2009 11:06:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> daleandee@.. . writes:
>
>
>
> The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
> take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
> successful.
>
> Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
> guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
> we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
> at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.
>
> My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
> rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
> behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.
>
> Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...
>
> Dale
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@> wrote:
>
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> > on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> > I mean really....? <SNIP>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion...

Posted by: "Lyle Cox" LyleCox@funaerosports.com   hanginoutinhotels

Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:57 am (PST)



72 virgins????? ?????? Give me 50 virgins and 22 that know what they are doing!

From: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of James Ferris
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:54 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .


You have to believe!!!!! you forgot about the 72 virgins diden't you.
Jim

_____

From: brianmacgeek <brian@garrett. net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 12:27:36 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .

I think someone who tries to kill themselves for a cause by definition is someone who isn't very smart... :)

Brian

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ <mailto:Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and killed
> everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It comes down to
> this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well planned out and it simply
> did not work.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2009 11:06:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> daleandee@.. . writes:
>
>
>
> The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
> take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
> successful.
>
> Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
> guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
> we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
> at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.
>
> My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
> rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
> behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.
>
> Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...
>
> Dale
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ <mailto:Sport_ Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com> yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@> wrote:
>
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> > on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> > I mean really....? <SNIP>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>


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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion...

Posted by: "James Ferris" mijniljj@yahoo.com   mijniljj

Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:14 am (PST)



I think its just pie in the sky anyway.I don't see how they can really believe that, but they need some kind of incentive.
Jim

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Lyle Cox <LyleCox@funaerospor ts.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 1:57:09 PM
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .

 
72 virgins????? ??????  Give me 50 virgins and 22  that know what they are doing!
 
From:Sport_Aircraft @ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Sport_ Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of James Ferris
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:54 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .
 
 
You have to believe!!!!! you forgot about the 72 virgins diden't you.
Jim
 

____________ _________ _________ __

From:brianmacgeek <brian@garrett. net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 12:27:36 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .

 
I think someone who tries to kill themselves for a cause by definition is someone who isn't very smart... :)

Brian

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and killed
> everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It comes down to
> this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well planned out and it simply
> did not work.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2009 11:06:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> daleandee@.. . writes:
>
>
>
> The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
> take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
> successful.
>
> Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
> guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
> we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
> at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.
>
> My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
> rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
> behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.
>
> Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...
>
> Dale
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@> wrote:
>
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> > on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> > I mean really....? <SNIP>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
 

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?

Posted by: "Larry Romig" peteromig@gmail.com   larzfromarz

Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:04 am (PST)



I agree with Dale..
Imagine a voice like Capt'n Sully coming on the intercom after the
attacker was subdued announcing to the cabin...
"Ladies and Gentlemen,please remain calm and in you seats while we
descend to 911 feet.
Our crew will be moving one of your fellow passengers to the rear, oh by
the way, that passenger also wants you and your family and your
families' families, DEAD!
Feel free to get in any jabs that you can on his way to the back of the
aircraft, where once we reach the intended altitude of 911 feet, we will
deliver the passenger to the TSA,
via the rear cabin door from that altitude...
Thank you for flying Sully Air and we are sorry for any inconvenience" .

Hell they threw Ivana Trump off an airplane why not a terrorist? (OK, so
it was still on the ground)
I'd even settle for trowing the bastard off the airplane while its still
on the ground- no jetway or stairs..
Wasn't that a 777?...- they are high enough even if we have to do it 2
or 3 (hundred) times-

These folks want to die, lets help 'em out- I'm nice that way.

Hope everyone has a Happy and Safe New Year, ('cept him and a few others)-
Larz

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?

Posted by: "brianmacgeek" brian@garrett.net   brianmacgeek

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:31 am (PST)



Dale - I really like your solution as well... it's creative and effective. :D

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "daleandee" <daleandee@. ..> wrote:
>
>
>
> The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
> take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
> successful.
>
> Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
> guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
> we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
> at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.
>
> My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
> rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
> behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.
>
> Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...
>
> Dale
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@> wrote:
>
> > Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> > travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> > on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> > I mean really....? <SNIP>
>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?

Posted by: "Bill Hobson" wrhobson@aol.com   billhobson@rocketmail.com

Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:38 am (PST)



I'd like to suggest a new strategy for terrorists. One hour before arriving at the airport they should drink a gallon of gas. Then by the time they get through security they'll be dead.

----- Original Message -----
From: dongeneda2000
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?

I just flew commercial Saturday and Sunday, what a mess! Flying naked is not a solution I fear, there are those who think the PETN was in a condum hidden in a body orface! I guess naked AND a fast acting enema is in store now for TSA..

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Hobson" <wrhobson@.. .> wrote:
>
> Pretty soon they'll just have us flying naked.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: brianmacgeek
> To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:06 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?
>
>
>
> Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem? I mean really....? You can't go to the bathroom an hour before landing. You can't have anything on your lap during the last hour. No blanket, no PDA, no... laptop.
>
> The more I hear about this stuff the more I just shake my head and am glad I'm working toward a license. I picture some day where it's going to be so stupid-ridiculous to fly commercially that people are going to start either a. not traveling at all, or b. getting their own private license to avoid flying via the commercial airlines entirely - at least continentally.
>
> The next thing you know the terrorists are going to weave the bomb into their clothes - so they'll ban clothes when flying, which could prove, uhm, interesting? It's not a far stretch, after all, the shoe bomber managed to have us all have to take our shoes off at the airport now.
>
> I'm not trying to advocate getting rid of security all together, but lets use some common sense folks. There are many very well documented cases of people intentionally getting around security. The whole 3oz. limit of fluids (or whatever level it is) is ridiculous as well. If 10 terrorists got together on a 250 seat plane with 10 bottles, that would make more than enough of any explosive to get on board... heck, even 3oz. of the right item could be bad (I'm no chemist, but I can't imagine 10 minutes of Googling wouldn't turn up something).
>
> *sigh*.... sorry, and thanks for letting me vent.
>
> Brian
>

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Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?

Posted by: "Bill Hobson" wrhobson@aol.com   billhobson@rocketmail.com

Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:42 am (PST)



Well said.

----- Original Message -----
From: daleandee
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:05 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion for the day?

The answer is not anything that can be done on the airplane after
take-off. If he would have stayed in the toilet he might have been
successful.

Security of flight must happen at the airport before take-off. But I
guess now that some nut-job had explosives tied to his underwear that
we will all be required to take ours off so they can have a look-see
at it. Mom always said to wear clean undies.

My suggestion would have been to put the fire out, take him to the
rear door, set him on fire again, and push his radical, gee-hawd
behind into the open sky at about 30,000 feet without a chute.

Sounds cruel? So does plotting to kill over 200 passengers ...

Dale

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "brianmacgeek" <brian@...> wrote:

> Is it just me, or do the new restrictions being placed on commercial
> travel resulting from the latest stupid-person trying to set himself
> on fire over Christmas just as silly of a reaction to the problem?
> I mean really....? <SNIP>

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Re: Digest Number 2230

Posted by: "bob mcdonagh" airpark@embarqmail.com   rdmcdonagh

Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:28 am (PST)



Light-Sport Aircraft & Sport PilotHow about staying on topic. We just went through a similar diversion off subject - on another good aircraft site. Now this one just went to pot.

Anyone here interested in LSA flying subjects? I guess the sanctioner of this site is going to let it go - for awhile. hopefully, people will get back on subject Light Sport Flying. Not the airlines and 'nut jobs'

Anyone interested in forming a flying club in SW Florida? 10 - 15 members and a couple of Challenger IIs? This could also lead to a Children's Aviation Center - with some alternative energy(s) intergrated into it. Visit www.navalairestates .com for more information. I hope to have the club page up to date - with downsized info - and the same for the 'Center' shortly.

Happy Holidays - and good Sport Plane Flying! Bob McDonagh
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Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2230

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Posted by: "Roger Poyner" rogpoyn@yahoo. com rogpoyn
Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Bottom line of a terrorist attack is to cause chaos and disruption of normal life. They don't realize that that is what we elect government officials for. Those silly folks don't know what they are up against.

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To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 2:05:02 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .

Hello
Who is stupid? One man who fails in his attempt. I think its more a way of causing chaos with no loss of life. The ramifications will go on for a tear or two with a huge cost to the US Government and its allies.
Figure the costs in $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$ for the Government and for the traveling public the $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$ time and aggrovation af the additional inspections

Tell me in 6 months as you are patted down yet again who is stupid

Think about it
Peter

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, daleandee <daleandee@yahoo. com> wrote:

>From: daleandee <daleandee@yahoo. com>
>Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .
>To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>Yeah, we've survived another attack. Not because we're amart but
>because they're stupid. Can't really say I like that strategy much.
>
>I do understand that there are some technical concerns with the
>30,000' deployment. Maybe we could wait till we were at 10,000' before
>we set him free ...
>
>Dale
>
>--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
>> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and
>> killed everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It
>> comes down to this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well
>> planned out and it simply did not work.
>
>

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Re: Digest Number 2230

Posted by: "Robert D. Taylor" flydad57@neo.rr.com   flydad57

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:15 am (PST)



Gee, Bob. Any excuse to get your plug in.

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How about staying on topic. We just went through a similar diversion off subject - on another good aircraft site. Now this one just went to pot.

Anyone here interested in LSA flying subjects? I guess the sanctioner of this site is going to let it go - for awhile. hopefully, people will get back on subject Light Sport Flying. Not the airlines and 'nut jobs'

Anyone interested in forming a flying club in SW Florida? 10 - 15 members and a couple of Challenger IIs? This could also lead to a Children's Aviation Center - with some alternative energy(s) intergrated into it. Visit www.navalairestates .com for more information. I hope to have the club page up to date - with downsized info - and the same for the 'Center' shortly.

Happy Holidays - and good Sport Plane Flying! Bob McDonagh
----- Original Message -----
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Posted by: "Roger Poyner" rogpoyn@yahoo. com rogpoyn
Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Bottom line of a terrorist attack is to cause chaos and disruption of normal life. They don't realize that that is what we elect government officials for. Those silly folks don't know what they are up against.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Peter Walker <peterwalker58@ yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 2:05:02 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .

Hello
Who is stupid? One man who fails in his attempt. I think its more a way of causing chaos with no loss of life. The ramifications will go on for a tear or two with a huge cost to the US Government and its allies.
Figure the costs in $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$ for the Government and for the traveling public the $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$ time and aggrovation af the additional inspections

Tell me in 6 months as you are patted down yet again who is stupid

Think about it
Peter

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, daleandee <daleandee@yahoo. com> wrote:

>From: daleandee <daleandee@yahoo. com>
>Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .
>To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>Yeah, we've survived another attack. Not because we're amart but
>because they're stupid. Can't really say I like that strategy much.
>
>I do understand that there are some technical concerns with the
>30,000' deployment. Maybe we could wait till we were at 10,000' before
>we set him free ...
>
>Dale
>
>--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
>> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and
>> killed everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It
>> comes down to this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well
>> planned out and it simply did not work.
>
>

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Re; How about a WAY off-topic discussion

Posted by: "L. Bruce Jones" bruce@ussubmarines.com   ussubs1

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:03 am (PST)



Even partial solutions to the problem are difficult, complex and
expensive but it seems to me our politicians have us avoiding the
obvious.

Racial profiling works. 99% of terrorists are Muslim males between
the ages of 18 and 40. Go through their bags with a fine tooth comb
and give them the benefit of being strip searched and cavity
searched, etc. Whatever works. This is not time for attempts at being
politically correct.
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Re: Re; How about a WAY off-topic discussion

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Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:15 am (PST)



This last guy was African. There are 750 million Muslims in the world and they are not all from the middle east.

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Even partial solutions to the problem are difficult, complex and
xpensive but it seems to me our politicians have us avoiding the
bvious.
Racial profiling works. 99% of terrorists are Muslim males between
he ages of 18 and 40. Go through their bags with a fine tooth comb
nd give them the benefit of being strip searched and cavity
earched, etc. Whatever works. This is not time for attempts at being
olitically correct.
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Re: Re; How about a WAY off-topic discussion

Posted by: "brianmacgeek" brian@garrett.net   brianmacgeek

Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:05 pm (PST)



So what about all the Muslims that don't look like Muslims? Then what? Timothy McVeigh hardly looked like a Muslim, yet he killed a few folks with one home-made bomb... and he wasn't even Muslim.

(gad are we off topic... :D)

--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "L. Bruce Jones" <bruce@...> wrote:
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> Even partial solutions to the problem are difficult, complex and
> expensive but it seems to me our politicians have us avoiding the
> obvious.
>
> Racial profiling works. 99% of terrorists are Muslim males between
> the ages of 18 and 40. Go through their bags with a fine tooth comb
> and give them the benefit of being strip searched and cavity
> searched, etc. Whatever works. This is not time for attempts at being
> politically correct.
> --
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> CEO POSEIDON UNDERSEA RESORTS LLC
> U.S. SUBMARINE STRUCTURES LLC TRITON SUBMARINES LLC
> Tel: 208/687-9057 Fax: 208/441-7478
> E-mail: bruce@... http://ussubs. com
> http://tritonsubs. com http://poseidonreso rts.com
> http://ussubstructu res.com http://gemscientist .com
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Fw: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2230

Posted by: "bob mcdonagh" airpark@embarqmail.com   rdmcdonagh

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:47 am (PST)



Light-Sport Aircraft & Sport Pilot
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Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2230

How about Not' having a way off topic discussion.

How about staying on topic? And the topic is Light- Sport Aircraft.

(We just went through a similar diversion off subject - on another good aircraft site. Now this one just went to pot.)

Anyone here interested in LSA flying subjects? I guess the sanctioner of this site is going to let it go - for awhile. hopefully, people will get themsevelves - back on subject: Light Sport Flying. Not the airlines and 'nut jobs'

Anyone interested in forming an LSA flying club in SW Florida? 10 - 15 members and a couple of Challenger IIs? This could also lead to a Children's Aviation Center - with some alternative energy(s) intergrated into it. Visit www.navalairestates .com for more information. I hope to have the club page up to date - with downsized info - and the same for the 'Center' shortly.

Happy Holidays - and good Sport Plane Flying! Bob McDonagh

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Posted by: "Roger Poyner" rogpoyn@yahoo. com rogpoyn
Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:43 am (PST)

Bottom line of a terrorist attack is to cause chaos and disruption of normal life. They don't realize that that is what we elect government officials for. Those silly folks don't know what they are up against.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Peter Walker <peterwalker58@ yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 2:05:02 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .

Hello
Who is stupid? One man who fails in his attempt. I think its more a way of causing chaos with no loss of life. The ramifications will go on for a tear or two with a huge cost to the US Government and its allies.
Figure the costs in $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$ for the Government and for the traveling public the $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$ time and aggrovation af the additional inspections

Tell me in 6 months as you are patted down yet again who is stupid

Think about it
Peter

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, daleandee <daleandee@yahoo. com> wrote:

>From: daleandee <daleandee@yahoo. com>
>Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: How about a WAY off-topic discussion.. .
>To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>Yeah, we've survived another attack. Not because we're amart but
>because they're stupid. Can't really say I like that strategy much.
>
>I do understand that there are some technical concerns with the
>30,000' deployment. Maybe we could wait till we were at 10,000' before
>we set him free ...
>
>Dale
>
>--- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, medicbill@.. . wrote:
>
>> Well opening the door at 30k might have destroyed the aircraft and
>> killed everyone better then the so called bomb he was wearing. It
>> comes down to this. This guy was not very smart. It was not well
>> planned out and it simply did not work.
>
>

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Thanks to a lot of help from this site, I bought a model 415C Ercoupe two days ago!! Based on my needs and what was available, I feel I made the right choice. Now I will try to post a photo or two in the photos section.

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