All About Light Sport Aircraft: April 2012

Monday, April 30, 2012

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Understand what you are saying. It amazes me how ignorant people truly
are when it comes to people who are big or overweight and some how
think that magically they can get the weight off. The one group of
people that are alowed to be discrimaneted against in this country. I
had struggled all my life with weight and one time weighed 350 pounds
till I had weight loss surgery amd now weigh 190. Some may say I took
the easy way out by having surgery I say to them KMA. Even now i have
to struggle everyday with what I call my fat brain that lives in the
past. It is like an alcholic. You are never cured. You learn to live
with it and eal with it on a daya to day basis. Some days you succeed
and once in awhile you fail but hopefully the days you succedd far out
number the days you fail.

As far as LSA there had to be a starting point as far as limitations
regarding aircraft and engine size. They were not going to be able to
design something that would work for 100% of the people who maybe
interesting in learning to fly. All aircraft have limitations regarding
weight and useful load. They had to look at the aircraf avaiable. The
Europeans had been flying this size aircraft for a long time before LSA
here so that is what they used as part of the limitations. Maybe some
dya that will change but with the FAA it takes them a long time to get
comfortable to make change.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: bikerider1959 <paulwalter@mchsi.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:09 pm
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

I love how everyone just assumed that i am a 400 lb couch potato
getting frustrated with the world no one even asked what my situation
is.
I am 6ft and weigh 300 lbs. with a 42" waist.
I do 5 miles on the treadmill every day, I climb, I hike, I have hiked
the grand canyon rim to rim carrying an 80 lb pack.
I weigh 300 lbs most of it muscle,the lowest I have ever been in my
adult life is 270lbs.
losing the weight is not an option because muscle does not burn like
fat. I have found that if I increase my exercise program too much I
will actually lose inches on my waist while gaining weight.

and studying more really does not bother me two much since I am an
engineer. and have already completed the ground school portion for
private pilot.

no one asked any questions at all they just assumed.

my contention is with the number of people out there who are bigger it
is time for the FAA to consider that since even the average adult male
in the us has increased from 165lbs to 196 lbs that they should base
these thing on a bit higher number like 2000lbs gross for light Sport
to accommodate a larger cross section of america. I see a lot of people
complaining that light sport is not bringing in as many new pilots to
general aviation as it was intended to perhaps this is one reason why.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello Jimmy
>
> Â Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jimmyg51147 <james-galvin@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:13 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
>
>
> Â
> Peter was not being an elitist. This is not a case of "My plane is
bigger than your plane". He was trying to get across the point that LSA
probably would not work for you and GA would be a better fit. LSA
planes are limited to 2 people. You alone are almost 3 people. I would
like to be a Hollywood heart throb. Although at 65 years old, slightly
overweight, and gray hair I probably would not be able to pull it off.
Let's see, I have 2 choices. Continue deluding myself or face reality.
I think I'll go with reality. Try it, it's less frustrating.
> Jimmy
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "bikerider1959" <paulwalter@>
wrote:
> >
> > so you're saying hey big guys, you have to have twice as many hours
, study more and get a medical before you can do what us thin guys can
do with less time and our drivers license.
> >
> > this elitist attitude is one of the things that has kept me from
even attempting to learn how to fly for 50 years, comments from pilots
like you might have a hard time fitting in the plane, and we might not
even be able to take off,or there is no way you could ever pass the
medical exam,and other comments when ever I would ask questions about
it. that made me feel inferior and forever afraid of trying to get a
medical certification.
> > so Now I hear about the new class of flying with a drivers license
Medical requirement that is intended to bring more new pilots into
general aviation with less cost to the individual.
> > you would think that with all the talk about the "Aviation
Community" and the "Aviation Family" out there that there would be more
tolerance for peoples differences and more help in trying to find ways
for people to realize their dream of flying, instead we have an elitist
I am better than you fat boy attitude. new pilots are fine as long as
they fit into the Ken And Barbie mold.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Peter Walker
<peterwalker58@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > There is a class that allows a higher gross Its galled GA However
the rules are different Some people just dont fit Light SportGet over it
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Hello

Ignoring the sudden incapacitation which is a risk at any age you miss out on the loss of motor skills such as balance (i ground looped) eyesight (I didnt see the A380 taxiing) lung function (why are your lips blue pop) hearing (... that was 26R?) and diabetes

Howener these are all put down in most cases as pilot error

Peter

From: Jerry <jself1@carolina.rr.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:44 AM
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

I am a long-time PP and retired physician who flew light planes for many years before the SP rules. I switched to SP flying in 2005 and happy with the rules. The big change has been the marked decrease in illegal "UL" flying.

In my opinion, medical science does not have a reliable predictor of sudden incapacitation. In fact, it is more likely that fear about failing the FAA medical encourages some pilots to avoid identifying and thus receiving treatment for their medical problems. Thus, the medical requirement may increase the danger.

Jerry in NC

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group PPL drivers license medical

RE: Drivers license medical, private pilot certificate......

Would not be recognized by IACO signature countries.

Would make unnecessary LSA certificate.
Would make unnecessary LSA aircraft.

As far as cost of airframe,the new standards have
not, as yet, shown a large cost reduction.

Take ppl training thru Solo, get some cross country
training and sign off , good to go!!!!!!

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group doesn't this seem awfully close to an aircraft?

this thing seems a lot like it should be considered an aircraft

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/millionaire-everything-190-000-hovercraft-163301960.html

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

How many airline pilots who have class 1 physicals have dropped dead
during flight. Not a lot but it has happened. Not to mention the recent
incident with the guy whose brain decided to have a sudden personality
change one morning. Physicals are only good for the moment they are
done. As a Paramedic I have seen people who had a perfectly normal 12
lead EKG drop dead the next day due to a clot that formed in the
cornary artery that was 80% blocked which is not picked up by a 12 lead
nor is the procedure to pick that up a part of any FAA physical. There
are more firefighters who drop dead in their stations then there are
aviation accidents related to medical conditions. Search the FAA
database and you will find the number of accidents that can be proven
or even specualted that occured due to a medical problem the absolut
bottom of the barrel.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: circicirci <acensor@fastmail.fm>
To: Sport_Aircraft <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 9:23 am
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Hi Mark,

I agree getting checked medically is wise ... and even _more_ so making
the livestyle choices that can load the dice in our favor for good long
(and even more important -- "good quality") life. Especially as one
gets over 40 or 50 years old. You could even say I'm on the radical end
of the health-nut spectrum.

But to echo and add to what others wrote below earlier:
With well over 4000 pilots (true number unknown because of large
number of older PP pilots flying with sport pilot privilges with no
medicals flying, according to AOPA, since 2004 up to now there is not a
_single_ known case of an incident or accident that it could be said
that a condition that would have been detected on a medical even
contributed to the event.
That alone is pretty convincing evidence to me that private pilots
(be they PP or SP) aren't going to be falling our of the sky or
colliding with other aircraft as a result of not having medicals.
We all know that the _biggest_ factor in flying safety is
judgement (including judgement about when and where an how to NOT fly,
knowing and respecting our own and our aircrafts' limits) and
responsibility (maintainence, etc). Being required to take a class-3
medical probably does little to increase that.
Might you agree with those last two sentences?

Getting into a UL and flying with no training is something none of us
here recommend. Whether 15 hours is "enough" is debatable. I flew a
hang glider in the early 70's with almost no training (there was none
available). The first crop of UL pioneers pretty much did the same.
Some got hurt badly.
Unfortunately UL training is today _much_ harder and much more
expensive for a new wanna-be UL to obtain than before the LSa sport
pilot rules eliminated the existance of two-seat UL trainer aircraft
and eliminated the existance of the BFI (Basic Flight Instructors).
(This topic is something already well-covered in other threads here by
me And others -- apologies if I'm overly repeating myself.)

Because of that and other factors (such as the cost of LSa's) it is
unclear if on _net_ the LSA sport pilot rules will in the long or even
medium run significantly increase, not-effect, or even _REDUCE_ the
acessibility of flying and number of pilots compared to if it had not
been created. It certainly has not to date created the hoped for influx
of new pilots. If I had to bet money I'd say it won't.

Personally Sport Pilot has been good for ME, but I'm sure there are
some _really_ dissappointed wanna-be UL pilots out there wishing they'd
got in before the door squeezed almost-shut between 2004 and 2008.

Alex

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, medicbill@... wrote:
>
> They have multiple times. All the evidence and studies have clearly
indicated that not requiring medicals has not affected the safety
record negatively in any way. It is also those studies that gave the
ammo for the AOPA, EAA and other organizations to push the FAA to do
the same with 3rd class medicals.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2012 6:23:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> garyo@... writes:
>
>
>
> We should compare accident rates and go from there. That's where the
truths lay.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: Mark C <wannagoflying@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 00:54:05 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
>
>
> I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and
flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side
has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat
Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA,
Ultralight, Advanced
> ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and
Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the
market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But
still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical every year its
worth the $140CND every 5 years (2
> years now that i'm over 40).

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Hi Mark,

I agree getting checked medically is wise ... and even _more_ so making the livestyle choices that can load the dice in our favor for good long (and even more important -- "good quality") life. Especially as one gets over 40 or 50 years old. You could even say I'm on the radical end of the health-nut spectrum.

But to echo and add to what others wrote below earlier:
With well over 4000 pilots (true number unknown because of large number of older PP pilots flying with sport pilot privilges with no medicals flying, according to AOPA, since 2004 up to now there is not a _single_ known case of an incident or accident that it could be said that a condition that would have been detected on a medical even contributed to the event.
That alone is pretty convincing evidence to me that private pilots (be they PP or SP) aren't going to be falling our of the sky or colliding with other aircraft as a result of not having medicals.
We all know that the _biggest_ factor in flying safety is judgement (including judgement about when and where an how to NOT fly, knowing and respecting our own and our aircrafts' limits) and responsibility (maintainence, etc). Being required to take a class-3 medical probably does little to increase that.
Might you agree with those last two sentences?

Getting into a UL and flying with no training is something none of us here recommend. Whether 15 hours is "enough" is debatable. I flew a hang glider in the early 70's with almost no training (there was none available). The first crop of UL pioneers pretty much did the same. Some got hurt badly.
Unfortunately UL training is today _much_ harder and much more expensive for a new wanna-be UL to obtain than before the LSa sport pilot rules eliminated the existance of two-seat UL trainer aircraft and eliminated the existance of the BFI (Basic Flight Instructors).
(This topic is something already well-covered in other threads here by me And others -- apologies if I'm overly repeating myself.)

Because of that and other factors (such as the cost of LSa's) it is unclear if on _net_ the LSA sport pilot rules will in the long or even medium run significantly increase, not-effect, or even _REDUCE_ the acessibility of flying and number of pilots compared to if it had not been created. It certainly has not to date created the hoped for influx of new pilots. If I had to bet money I'd say it won't.

Personally Sport Pilot has been good for ME, but I'm sure there are some _really_ dissappointed wanna-be UL pilots out there wishing they'd got in before the door squeezed almost-shut between 2004 and 2008.

Alex

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, medicbill@... wrote:
>
> They have multiple times. All the evidence and studies have clearly indicated that not requiring medicals has not affected the safety record negatively in any way. It is also those studies that gave the ammo for the AOPA, EAA and other organizations to push the FAA to do the same with 3rd class medicals.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2012 6:23:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> garyo@... writes:
>
>
>
> We should compare accident rates and go from there. That's where the truths lay.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: Mark C <wannagoflying@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 00:54:05 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
>
>
> I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA, Ultralight, Advanced
> ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2
> years now that i'm over 40).

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Point taken on that.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Williams" <rkwill@...> wrote:
>
> Mark C,
>
> We all agree that flying a UL with NO training is very foolish.
> Flying a UL or LSA with 15 hours training (may take longer if no prior
> experience and/or training dragged out so training sessions are too far apart)
>
> Note, however, that UL and LSA have several limitations that PP does not have
> (and therefore, the UL or LSA pilot does not need the extra training hours for
> things they will never use.)
>
> Amongst those extras are night flight, towered airports, etc/
> Note, a LSA pilot can obtain an endorsement for towered airports via extra training.
>
> For an LSA pilot, they do not need training for retractable landing gear,
> constant speed prop handling, oxygen systems, and much much more that a PP must
> have, such as VOR navigation, NDB navigation, etc.
>
> With out all those extra training requirements, the amount of time needed for
> dual instruction goes way down.
>
> Even the ground school is significantly different due to areas that the PP must
> know that are not a concern of the LSA or UL pilot.
>
> R. Williams
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Mark C" <wannagoflying@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:54:05 -0000
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
>
> > I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and
> > flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side
> > has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat
> > Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA,
> > Ultralight, Advanced ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying!
> > proper medicals and Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of
> > "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA
> > in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical
> > every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2 years now that i'm
> > over 40).
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson <FastEddieB@> wrote:
> > >
> > > <<this elitist attitude is one of the things that has kept me from even
> attempting to learn how to fly for 50 years>>
> > >
> > > That sounds like an excuse.
> > >
> > > If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you would have.
> > >
> > > Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in
> fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
> > >
> > > That's not elitism - its realism.
> > >
> > > Fast EddieB.
> > > Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA Â• N467SA
> > >
> > > PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my
> sentiments have already been expressed by others.
> > >
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Just curious John but where do you get your information the local rag. or some body's hurt feelings. For one a brake failure and a 20 ft over run on a my grass runway into some shrubs is not what i would call a crash no amount of training would change that. Obviously someone in my local has embellished the truth as i have hit a nerve. My point was if your flying your flying. Why the different hrs, med, etc for certification. Unless of course your flying commercial then its understandable as more training is needed for the IFR, ETC.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, palmettoe@... wrote:
>
> Just curious Mark, but did the training, ppl, and current medical look the
> other way when you crashed and almost destroyed your plane a short while
> back? No? I didn't think so. I agree with Bill and the vast majority, the USA
> LSA group's excellent record clearly indicates self certification works!
> John
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2012 10:50:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> medicbill@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> They have multiple times. All the evidence and studies have clearly
> indicated that not requiring medicals has not affected the safety record
> negatively in any way. It is also those studies that gave the ammo for the AOPA,
> EAA and other organizations to push the FAA to do the same with 3rd class
> medicals.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2012 6:23:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> garyo@... writes:
>
>
>
> We should compare accident rates and go from there. That's where the
> truths lay.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: Mark C <wannagoflying@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 00:54:05 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
>
>
> I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and
> flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side has not
> happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat Ultralight with only
> 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA, Ultralight, Advanced
> ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and Training should not
> be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a
> Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to
> get my Flight medical every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2
> years now that i'm over 40).
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson --- In
> >
> > <>
> >
> > That sounds like an excuse.
> >
> > If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you
> would have.
> >
> > Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in
> fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
> >
> > That's not elitism - its realism.
> >
> > Fast EddieB.
> > Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA â€¢ N467SA
> >
> > PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my
> sentiments have already been expressed by others.
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Mark C,

We all agree that flying a UL with NO training is very foolish.
Flying a UL or LSA with 15 hours training (may take longer if no prior
experience and/or training dragged out so training sessions are too far apart)

Note, however, that UL and LSA have several limitations that PP does not have
(and therefore, the UL or LSA pilot does not need the extra training hours for
things they will never use.)

Amongst those extras are night flight, towered airports, etc/
Note, a LSA pilot can obtain an endorsement for towered airports via extra training.

For an LSA pilot, they do not need training for retractable landing gear,
constant speed prop handling, oxygen systems, and much much more that a PP must
have, such as VOR navigation, NDB navigation, etc.

With out all those extra training requirements, the amount of time needed for
dual instruction goes way down.

Even the ground school is significantly different due to areas that the PP must
know that are not a concern of the LSA or UL pilot.

R. Williams

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Mark C" <wannagoflying@gmail.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:54:05 -0000
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

> I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and
> flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side
> has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat
> Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA,
> Ultralight, Advanced ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying!
> proper medicals and Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of
> "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA
> in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical
> every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2 years now that i'm
> over 40).
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson <FastEddieB@...> wrote:
> >
> > <<this elitist attitude is one of the things that has kept me from even
attempting to learn how to fly for 50 years>>
> >
> > That sounds like an excuse.
> >
> > If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you would have.
> >
> > Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in
fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
> >
> > That's not elitism - its realism.
> >
> > Fast EddieB.
> > Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA • N467SA
> >
> > PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my
sentiments have already been expressed by others.
> >
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

I love how everyone just assumed that i am a 400 lb couch potato getting frustrated with the world no one even asked what my situation is.
I am 6ft and weigh 300 lbs. with a 42" waist.
I do 5 miles on the treadmill every day, I climb, I hike, I have hiked the grand canyon rim to rim carrying an 80 lb pack.
I weigh 300 lbs most of it muscle,the lowest I have ever been in my adult life is 270lbs.
losing the weight is not an option because muscle does not burn like fat. I have found that if I increase my exercise program too much I will actually lose inches on my waist while gaining weight.

and studying more really does not bother me two much since I am an engineer. and have already completed the ground school portion for private pilot.

no one asked any questions at all they just assumed.

my contention is with the number of people out there who are bigger it is time for the FAA to consider that since even the average adult male in the us has increased from 165lbs to 196 lbs that they should base these thing on a bit higher number like 2000lbs gross for light Sport to accommodate a larger cross section of america. I see a lot of people complaining that light sport is not bringing in as many new pilots to general aviation as it was intended to perhaps this is one reason why.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jimmy
>
> Â Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jimmyg51147 <james-galvin@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:13 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
>
>
> Â
> Peter was not being an elitist. This is not a case of "My plane is bigger than your plane". He was trying to get across the point that LSA probably would not work for you and GA would be a better fit. LSA planes are limited to 2 people. You alone are almost 3 people. I would like to be a Hollywood heart throb. Although at 65 years old, slightly overweight, and gray hair I probably would not be able to pull it off. Let's see, I have 2 choices. Continue deluding myself or face reality. I think I'll go with reality. Try it, it's less frustrating.
> Jimmy
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "bikerider1959" <paulwalter@> wrote:
> >
> > so you're saying hey big guys, you have to have twice as many hours , study more and get a medical before you can do what us thin guys can do with less time and our drivers license.
> >
> > this elitist attitude is one of the things that has kept me from even attempting to learn how to fly for 50 years, comments from pilots like you might have a hard time fitting in the plane, and we might not even be able to take off,or there is no way you could ever pass the medical exam,and other comments when ever I would ask questions about it. that made me feel inferior and forever afraid of trying to get a medical certification.
> > so Now I hear about the new class of flying with a drivers license Medical requirement that is intended to bring more new pilots into general aviation with less cost to the individual.
> > you would think that with all the talk about the "Aviation Community" and the "Aviation Family" out there that there would be more tolerance for peoples differences and more help in trying to find ways for people to realize their dream of flying, instead we have an elitist I am better than you fat boy attitude. new pilots are fine as long as they fit into the Ken And Barbie mold.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > There is a class that allows a higher gross Its galled GA However the rules are different Some people just dont fit Light SportGet over it
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

All of this medical crap is a bunch of smoke and mirrors. I get a medical every 2 years. When it is completed the doctors certifies that I am physically fit to fly. OK I am at that day and that moment. How long am I physically fit to fly? Who the hell knows! For the next 730 days (until my next physical) I self certify that I am physically fit to fly.

WAY less than 1% of accidents/incidents are due to medical conditions. Something like 17% are due to "fuel mismanagement". Maybe every two years pilots need to prove they are able to read a fuel gauge and demonstrate they know what "left" "right" and "both" mean.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, palmettoe@... wrote:
>
> Just curious Mark, but did the training, ppl, and current medical look the
> other way when you crashed and almost destroyed your plane a short while
> back? No? I didn't think so. I agree with Bill and the vast majority, the USA
> LSA group's excellent record clearly indicates self certification works!
> John

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

First of all get your Info strait. Going 20 ft past the end of a runway is not considered a crash Also a broken strut and bent nose wheel is not considered "Almost destroyed.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, palmettoe@... wrote:
>
> Just curious Mark, but did the training, ppl, and current medical look the
> other way when you crashed and almost destroyed your plane a short while
> back? No? I didn't think so. I agree with Bill and the vast majority, the USA
> LSA group's excellent record clearly indicates self certification works!
> John
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2012 10:50:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> medicbill@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> They have multiple times. All the evidence and studies have clearly
> indicated that not requiring medicals has not affected the safety record
> negatively in any way. It is also those studies that gave the ammo for the AOPA,
> EAA and other organizations to push the FAA to do the same with 3rd class
> medicals.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2012 6:23:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> garyo@... writes:
>
>
>
> We should compare accident rates and go from there. That's where the
> truths lay.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: Mark C <wannagoflying@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 00:54:05 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
>
>
> I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and
> flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side has not
> happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat Ultralight with only
> 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA, Ultralight, Advanced
> ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and Training should not
> be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a
> Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to
> get my Flight medical every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2
> years now that i'm over 40).
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson --- In
> >
> > <>
> >
> > That sounds like an excuse.
> >
> > If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you
> would have.
> >
> > Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in
> fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
> >
> > That's not elitism - its realism.
> >
> > Fast EddieB.
> > Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA â€¢ N467SA
> >
> > PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my
> sentiments have already been expressed by others.
> >
>
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Just curious Mark, but did the training, ppl, and current medical look the other way when you crashed and almost destroyed your plane a short while back? No? I didn't think so. I agree with Bill and the vast majority, the USA LSA group's excellent record clearly indicates self certification works! John

In a message dated 4/29/2012 10:50:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, medicbill@aol.com writes:

They have multiple times. All the evidence and studies have clearly indicated that not requiring medicals has not affected the safety record negatively in any way. It is also those studies that gave the ammo for the AOPA, EAA and other organizations to push the FAA to do the same with 3rd class medicals.

Bill

In a message dated 4/29/2012 6:23:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, garyo@bak.rr.com writes:

We should compare accident rates and go from there. That's where the truths lay.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone

-----Original message-----

From: Mark C <wannagoflying@gmail.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 00:54:05 GMT+00:00
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA, Ultralight, Advanced ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2 years now that i'm over 40).

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson wrote:
>
> <>
>
> That sounds like an excuse.
>
> If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you would have.
>
> Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
>
> That's not elitism - its realism.
>
> Fast EddieB.
> Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA • N467SA
>
> PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my sentiments have already been expressed by others.
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

They have multiple times. All the evidence and studies have clearly indicated that not requiring medicals has not affected the safety record negatively in any way. It is also those studies that gave the ammo for the AOPA, EAA and other organizations to push the FAA to do the same with 3rd class medicals.

Bill

In a message dated 4/29/2012 6:23:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, garyo@bak.rr.com writes:

We should compare accident rates and go from there. That's where the truths lay.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone

-----Original message-----

From: Mark C <wannagoflying@gmail.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 00:54:05 GMT+00:00
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA, Ultralight, Advanced ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2 years now that i'm over 40).

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson wrote:
>
> <>
>
> That sounds like an excuse.
>
> If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you would have.
>
> Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
>
> That's not elitism - its realism.
>
> Fast EddieB.
> Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA • N467SA
>
> PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my sentiments have already been expressed by others.
>

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We should compare accident rates and go from there. That's where the truths lay.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone

-----Original message-----

From: Mark C <wannagoflying@gmail.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 00:54:05 GMT+00:00
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA, Ultralight, Advanced ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2 years now that i'm over 40).

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson wrote:
>
> <>
>
> That sounds like an excuse.
>
> If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you would have.
>
> Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
>
> That's not elitism - its realism.
>
> Fast EddieB.
> Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA • N467SA
>
> PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my sentiments have already been expressed by others.
>

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I for one am not in favor of the new "Watered down" LSA medicals and flight training the USA are coming out with. Thankfully the med side has not happened in Canada however Being allowed to fly a i seat Ultralight with only 15hrs training is ridiculous. If you fly LSA, Ultralight, Advanced ultralight, GA, Whatever your still flying! proper medicals and Training should not be sacrificed for the sake of "opening up the market" For EAA etc. I fly a Advanced ultralight (LSA in the USA) But still have a PPL and continue to get my Flight medical every year its worth the $140CND every 5 years (2 years now that i'm over 40).

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Edward Benson <FastEddieB@...> wrote:
>
> <<this elitist attitude is one of the things that has kept me from even attempting to learn how to fly for 50 years>>
>
> That sounds like an excuse.
>
> If you had really wanted to learn to fly and made it a priority you would have.
>
> Many have taken the time to point out the your weight situation does, in fact, adversely affect your ability to train in a light sport aircraft.
>
> That's not elitism - its realism.
>
> Fast EddieB.
> Sky Arrow 600 E-LSA • N467SA
>
> PS - I wrote this last night but it didn't go out. I see my some of my sentiments have already been expressed by others.
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

If you really need to lose some weight go to Tom Venuto, he has a system of burn the fat and feed the muscles program.

From: Frank <frankiebpr@yahoo.com>
To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

You can do it Tom. I lost 46 pounds in approximately 3 months; Yes, I sacrificed but met

my goal. How did I do it? Well I said to myself, before you can eat it, you have to work

for it......and that is exactly what I did. And here is my routine:

I got up in the morning, brush my teeth and had some coffee or juice and without thinking

about it, I was out walking for 30 minutes in order to earn my breakfast, got home took a shower and served myself a bowl of cereal and coffee with milk. I did a few chores around the house, or went out and did a few errands.....by this time I was ready for lunch.

Because I love to eat.....I looked forward to lunch...........here I ate all I wanted without

any concern, because this in reality was my one large meal p/day.

In the afternoon; Again I maintained active washing the cars, the motorcycle, or even worked

on my Rans S5. What kept me going? Gas.......you see, for every 6 pounds lost I would

be able to fill my Rans with one more gallon of gas. So that was my trade-off and my

motivator.

During the evenings I would climb on my thread-mill and watch the evening news, take

a shower and if I would get hungry......I just ate a fruit or a bowl of soup and try to go to

bed early.........Why? If you stay up late, you will get hungry and if you submit to eating

late......you will loose or should I say "gain" back all the calories you have lost during the

day.

If you want to loose wait? Remember this every time you open your mouth to eat: "I have to burn more calories then those consumed"

Well........if it worked for me, is up to you. How much do you want to Fly other than in a commercial flight!!!!

Good Luck,

Frank Gonzalez

Rans S5/Puerto Rico

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On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Thomas Warga <tpwarga@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am also a big, big guy and over 60 years old. When I first learned about the possibility of obtaining a Sport Certificate (not having to get a Medical), I learned that many LSA list a maximum weight in each seat to 260 +/- 10 pounds.

I realized, that in order to achieve my goal of flying an LSA, I would need to lose a lot of weight. I'm not interested in a Private ticket, as I would be perfectly happy in my remaining years to fly under the restrictions of being a Sport Pilot.

I have started on a weight loss program and, in the meanwhile, have also started ground school, which needs to be accomplished anyway. The ground school lessons (and several sport aviation magazines) help me maintain my enthusiasm.

So, I hope to accomplish two secondary goals while I'm losing weight - ground school and becoming healthier (also an important "side benefit"). I hope, by the time I have lost enough weight to fit in the airplane, I will be ready to start punching those holes in the sky.

Regards,
Tom

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Ken: You having stalled is a normal reaction of the human body, remember that

if your brain perceive a status of starvation it will stall or shut down the lost of weight.

I am not a nutritionist but if you decide to consult one you will find that what is important is to

maintain your metabolism working, you do this by eating small portions of low calorie

foods more frequently. I am no "spring chicken" so because of my low intake of high

calorie foods I will satisfy a hunger surge with a small bottle of Ensure and this keeps

me away from having a sit down dinner. I use to weight 246 about 4 months ago, my

present weight is 186 and by the looks of it, this will be my weight if I continue with

my morning and afternoon exercise. Most important: follow your bodily feed back,

don't eat because is time for lunch or dinner if your body is telling you is not hungry.

Well I don't want to turn this into a weight loss blog, so I will leave it here.

Good luck and don't give up.

Frank

Rans S5

Puerto Rico

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:01 AM, "Ken McClelland" <ken.mcclelland@atlanticbb.net> wrote:

Thanks for the reminder Frank <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>

I was at 315 and got down to 285 and stalled. I think I will save your post and read it every few days to keep me focused better. I need below 250 to train for SP with a local guy here and that has been my goal for a while now. As a side note I also need to be 250 or below for the plane I am building. Talk about incentive, if I build it - I better fit..........The only problem is the timeline is at least 4 years and that does not give me enough pressure to watch what I eat.

I was all set to go in an Allegro 2007 but the instructor had some hard times and had to sell it before I got started. He trained a few big guys. The Allego weighing about 610lbs it has the capacity for 2 pretty big occupants and enough fuel to be useful. Kind of sad but like a few in the business he was better at teaching than marketing. His website was chronically down and I had to do a lot of detective work just to find him. Lesson to others, hard core want to be students will find you, but not everyone will spend the time. If they have the time and money they will skip over you and spend a few weeks getting their time in at a bigger school that is easy to find on the web.

Ken

From: Frank

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:09 PM

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

You can do it Tom. I lost 46 pounds in approximately 3 months; Yes, I sacrificed but met

my goal. How did I do it? Well I said to myself, before you can eat it, you have to work

for it......and that is exactly what I did. And here is my routine:

I got up in the morning, brush my teeth and had some coffee or juice and without thinking

about it, I was out walking for 30 minutes in order to earn my breakfast, got home took a shower and served myself a bowl of cereal and coffee with milk. I did a few chores around the house, or went out and did a few errands.....by this time I was ready for lunch.

Because I love to eat.....I looked forward to lunch...........here I ate all I wanted without

any concern, because this in reality was my one large meal p/day.

In the afternoon; Again I maintained active washing the cars, the motorcycle, or even worked

on my Rans S5. What kept me going? Gas.......you see, for every 6 pounds lost I would

be able to fill my Rans with one more gallon of gas. So that was my trade-off and my

motivator.

During the evenings I would climb on my thread-mill and watch the evening news, take

a shower and if I would get hungry......I just ate a fruit or a bowl of soup and try to go to

bed early.........Why? If you stay up late, you will get hungry and if you submit to eating

late......you will loose or should I say "gain" back all the calories you have lost during the

day.

If you want to loose wait? Remember this every time you open your mouth to eat: "I have to burn more calories then those consumed"

Well........if it worked for me, is up to you. How much do you want to Fly other than in a commercial flight!!!!

Good Luck,

Frank Gonzalez

Rans S5/Puerto Rico

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On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Thomas Warga <tpwarga@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am also a big, big guy and over 60 years old. When I first learned about the possibility of obtaining a Sport Certificate (not having to get a Medical), I learned that many LSA list a maximum weight in each seat to 260 +/- 10 pounds.

I realized, that in order to achieve my goal of flying an LSA, I would need to lose a lot of weight. I'm not interested in a Private ticket, as I would be perfectly happy in my remaining years to fly under the restrictions of being a Sport Pilot.

I have started on a weight loss program and, in the meanwhile, have also started ground school, which needs to be accomplished anyway. The ground school lessons (and several sport aviation magazines) help me maintain my enthusiasm.

So, I hope to accomplish two secondary goals while I'm losing weight - ground school and becoming healthier (also an important "side benefit"). I hope, by the time I have lost enough weight to fit in the airplane, I will be ready to start punching those holes in the sky.

Regards,
Tom
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