Friday, April 20, 2012

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA for rent without renters, or renters...

There are no additional inspections when comparing a C150 in a flight
school to an LSA in a flight school. There are more inspection when
comparing any plane in a flight school vs. a personally owned plane. In
the original posting the plane was personally owned that the student was
receiving training on. He would not need to do 100 hour inspections in
that case as would be the case for a flight school plane. When comparing
a Rotax to an O200 there is a lot more routine mx (carbs, gear box, oil
changes, etc.) on the Rotax especially if you are running 100LL. On the
flip side, the O200 will likely need a top overhaul around the 1000h
mark and possibly some new mags as well if it is to make it to TBO.

Helen

On 4/20/2012 7:07 AM, bikerider1959 wrote:
> forgive me for this as I am not a Pilot...yet but I am trying to understand what was said about additional inspections
> I thought that all planes were required to have the same inspections even if they are a light sport.
> also the maintenance required on an engine/ machine depends on the quality of the maintenance done. Every car I have owned I have driven well past 200,000 miles and a couple of them past 300,000
> and my Goldwing is approaching 150,000
> I would think that a properly flown and maintained used aircraft would be a far better value than a new one at 4-5 times the cost.
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods<Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>> Ed, I don't think you've been pricing planes lately. I'd be lucky to
>> get $30K if I tried to sell my C172 in today's market and she's full IFR
>> with Gramin 530. $20K is very reasonable today for a C150. Insurance
>> is also dirst cheap for such. I'm paying in the neighborhood of $600/yr
>> for my C172 and parts are a heck of a lot easy to get from Cessna than
>> from any LSA manufacturer I've ever dealt with. I'm probably a bigger
>> sport pilot proponent than anyone but on the aircraft price argument, an
>> older Cessna does beat a new LSA hands down.
>>
>> Helen
>>
>> On 4/19/2012 5:07 PM, pwrsport@... wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like an over simplification to me.A 20k 150 can become
>>> maintenance nightmare especially in a training environment.I don’t
>>> believe I would even get in a 20K 150 flying contraption? Then the
>>> additional inspections required, training insurance etc.Not for this
>>> guy. Five additional hours for a PP I believe is another
>>> oversimplification.The flight time will be way in excess of that based
>>> on all national averages to cover all the additional training
>>> requirements.Sport pilots can fly anywhere they want in the national
>>> airspace, just not at night.Works for me.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jim Bair
>>> Sent: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM
>>> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without
>>> renters, or renters...
>>>
>>> My son bought an IFR equipped 150 for under $20k. He plans on
>>> getting an instrument rating in it and instructing in it. There
>>> is no way he could have paid 80 and up for a plane. ROI, yes,
>>> much better.
>>> The license itself... I totally recommend to students that if they
>>> can get a medical, they are much better off with a PP over a SP if
>>> they have any idea of eventually upgrading. Way more options on
>>> where and what they can fly. I have had guys come back to me
>>> later wanting to upgrade to PP so they can fly at night, or fly a
>>> C-172 and haul 4 people, etc. I always tell people that if they
>>> are absolutely sure that they will be happy flying within the
>>> limits of SP that it is a good way to go, but if they think they
>>> might want more in the future, they will have to study again for
>>> another written, more dual, and pay for another checkride. There
>>> is only 5 more hours of dual time required for a PP anyway.
>>> Don’t get me wrong, it is a real license, it just has
>>> limitations. If you don’t mind those limitations, then no problem.
>>> I really haven’t been following the used LSA market. I’m sure
>>> some are out there now. What are they bringing on the used market?
>>> Jim
>>> *From:* ron_d_hill<mailto:Ron@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:18 PM
>>> *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent
>>> without renters, or renters...
>>>
>>> Well, one simple thing is a 150 can be bought for 20k and the
>>> current crop of LSA's are 80-100k.
>>>
>>> If I were looking to buy an aircraft and get ROI.... ROI is going
>>> to be better on the Cessna 150.
>>>
>>> Another issue with sport pilot is it is not seen as a 'real'
>>> license. The CFI's don't see it that way, the industry does not
>>> see it that way, the FAA sorta does not see it that way, and most
>>> pilots do not see it that way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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