make it look that way on camera. They had her and some of the other
cast at Oshkosh last year. Her father obviously has some good people
running that company for him to continue doing as much flying as he
does because it is no small operation.
Bill B
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bair <jimbair@live.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without
renters, or renters...
Along this subject line, I would highly recommend the series "Flying
Wild Alaska" for an example of a variety of stick and rudder flying in
some pretty demanding conditions and the owner of the business is still
flying and LOVING his old C-180 he started the business with. The show
isn't just flying, it's also about the demands of running an aviation
business. I get it on Netflix, at least season 1. My boys turned me
onto it and I highly recommend it. You are so right about a Cessna.
You would have to work really hard to overload one. It is a utility
vehicle. If you're carrying gold bullion (most of us aren't) then yes,
you could overload it. But you can fill it to the ceiling with tents,
chairs, coolers, sleeping bags, etc.
I am surprised Subaru has stopped the Outback. It's an awesome
vehicle. Personally, I thought the Forester was their most practical
vehicle, but I traded mine for the Impreza WRX because I wanted to.
haha. It is a seriously fun car to drive on the summer racing tires,
and a seriously awesome winter car on Blizzaks. It will haul ass on
ice and snow. I'll race about anyone if I get to pick the day. haha.
0-60 in under 5 sec and I've had it to 145. Fun car. Subaru makes
really great vehicles. Yes, I violated my normal principle of always
buying used. It was impossible to find a used one. People keep them
until they die it seems.
Jim
From: Helen Woods
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 6:47 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without
renters, or renters...
I couldn't agree more, Jim. What a person is looking for in a plane
varies as much as people themselves do. My Cessna 172 dosn't offer
much of a stick and rudder "flying experience" and is sadly lacking on
anything resembling performance but it does reliably take me across the
country, fly IMC and carry camping gear for two. I also know that if
it breaks down in say Montana or one of those other states with so few
people that they actually chart the class G, the the lone mechanic of
that region can get parts and will know how to fix it. It's also cheap
to maintain and insure. It takes me to SNF and OSH very year. I also
serves as our flight school fly-in support aircraft in that I can fit 2
flag poles, an 8'x8' pop-up tent, two chairs, a table, a bag of
brochures and a (small) helper all in the plane at once. It recognized
in Canada, a country I hope to fly and explore one day. In other
words, it serves my purpose.
You know, I'm a station wagon kinda girl. I recently had to replace my
Forenza wagon and was quite dismayed at the lack of new wagons on the
market today. One of the most disturbing shopping trips I made was to
a (not very good) Subaru dealer. When I walked in I noticed that they
had now turned their Outback wagon into an SUV truck. I asked the
dealer, "Don't you sell wagons any more?" He responded, "Nobody wants
wagons any more." To which I replied, "Thank you for calling me a
'nobody,'" and walked out.
Each person is looking for a different thing in a plane just like in a
car. One thing or another may be in style now or may be a going trend
but it certainly doesn't meets the needs of all. You just have to find
something that works for you.
Helen
On 4/20/2012 2:41 PM, Jim Bair wrote: You're going to bring in
"the flying experience..."? LOL. OK, I owned a 1946 Taylorcraft
BC-12D. Simple cheap to operate stick and rudder airplane that is SP
legal I believe. Actually takes some skill to fly well compared to
the really easy to fly easy to navigate (unless you turn off the
glass gadgetry,and I know few SPs who actually do that.) LSA's that go
for 6 times the cost. Or for about 2/3 the cost of a new LSA, you
could fly a Super Decathlon. 180HP and full inverted acro capable.
That's what I have, because I do care about the flying experience.
Everyone's taste is not the same. As we have already pointed out, some
people don't care to fly at night, above 10,000', in Class A
airspace, etc.,and they enjoy cruising along following the pink line
on the panel and pushing buttons. For them, a $100k LSA is the
perfect machine and I think they should go buy one. For those on a
budget (me, for example) who want more "flying experience" for less
money, I choose a different style of airplane that provides me with
the flying experience I prefer. Tastes vary. I acknowledge that
people seem to prefer glass over serious stick and rudder skill sort
of airplanes. That's fine. As I said, tastes vary.
Jim
From: pwrsport@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:41 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without
renters, or renters... [4 Attachments]
I'll get some numbers. Scheduled maintenance requirements in a
training environment the same, GA - SLSA. Cost to keep them in the
air, not necessarily the same. Otherwise if one cares nothing about
the flying experience, may as well have 1950 150. Or a 1950 Plymouth
to drive. Some pictures to illustrate. Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: James Bair
Sent: Apr 20, 2012 5:55 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without
renters, or renters...
What maintenance are you referring to that
doesn't exist on an LSA? Yes, I love my Rotax 912, and I love the
fuel burn. But for the extra $100,000 I can buy a lot of gas. And
some maintenance, too.
Jim
From: pwrsport@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 2:56 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent
without renters, or renters...
You made me LOL. If that is the direction one wants to go, PPL or
higher, then finding a beater 150 or the likes, get you license and
dump it at the end for what you have in it before the maintenance
eats you alive. Possibly even better if a couple of people are at
it at the smae time.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bair
Sent: Apr 19, 2012 2:32 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without
renters, or renters...
Sounds like SP is perfect for
you. But it wouldn't meet my son's needs. He wants to go on to
get a Commercial. So you both have what you want. Perfect! And
you don't even have to fly a C-150 flying contraption. LOL.
Jim
From: pwrsport@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:07 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent
without renters, or renters...
Sounds like an over simplification to me. A 20k 150 can
become maintenance nightmare especially in a training
environment. I don't believe I would even get in a 20K 150
flying contraption? Then the additional inspections required,
training insurance etc. Not for this guy. Five additional hours
for a PP I believe is another oversimplification. The flight
time will be way in excess of that based on all national averages
to cover all the additional training requirements. Sport pilots
can fly anywhere they want in the national airspace, just not at
night. Works for me. Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bair
Sent: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without
renters, or renters...
My son bought an IFR
equipped 150 for under $20k. He plans on getting an instrument
rating in it and instructing in it. There is no way he could
have paid 80 and up for a plane. ROI, yes, much better.
The license itself... I totally recommend to students that if
they can get a medical, they are much better off with a PP over
a SP if they have any idea of eventually upgrading. Way more
options on where and what they can fly. I have had guys come
back to me later wanting to upgrade to PP so they can fly at
night, or fly a C-172 and haul 4 people, etc. I always tell
people that if they are absolutely sure that they will be happy
flying within the limits of SP that it is a good way to go, but
if they think they might want more in the future, they will
have to study again for another written, more dual, and pay for
another checkride. There is only 5 more hours of dual time
required for a PP anyway. Don't get me wrong, it is a real
license, it just has limitations. If you don't mind those
limitations, then no problem.
I really haven't been following the used LSA market. I'm sure
some are out there now. What are they bringing on the used
market?
Jim
From: ron_d_hill
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:18 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent
without renters, or renters...
Well, one simple thing is a 150 can be bought for 20k and the current
crop of LSA's are 80-100k.
If I were looking to buy an aircraft and get ROI.... ROI is
going to be better on the Cessna 150.
Another issue with sport pilot is it is not seen as a 'real'
license. The CFI's don't see it that way, the industry does not see it
that way, the FAA sorta does not see it that way, and most
pilots do not see it that way.
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