Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without renters, or renters...

You aren't alone, Ed.  Renters do get spoiled.  When something craps out, they walk away and the mechanic goes to work and the owner gets the bill.  But eventually, the renter wants the freedom to go to the airport and not have to wonder if someone else has booked the airplane.  Or to be able to go on a cross country for a weekend or longer which is typically impossible.  Someone else will have it booked for an hour on Saturday afternoon.  But when you do get it, it's new and shiny and fun.  And you begin to yearn for that pride of ownership.

 

Then you buy something.  And quickly learn that if if flies, f**ks, or floats, it's cheaper to rent.

 

Anybody want to buy my Decathlon and store it in my hangar and I'll be glad to rent it back? 

 

Jim

 

From: pwrsport@ix.netcom.com

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:29 AM

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without renters, or renters... [2 Attachments]

 

 

Looks like you are right then Helen.  I'm spoiled rotten I guess.   Attached what I currently fly.  The ancient Cessna trainers around here look like they have been through WW2 when you get up close and personal and always in the shop hangar across from me.  The Light Sport craft here are light years ahead and attract the want-to-be pilots.  What kind of insurance do you get for six-hundred bucks? 

Ed

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Helen Woods
Sent: Apr 19, 2012 4:24 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without renters, or renters...

 

Ed, I don't think you've been pricing planes lately.  I'd be lucky to get $30K if I tried to sell my C172 in today's market and she's full IFR with Gramin 530.  $20K is very reasonable today for a C150.  Insurance is also dirst cheap for such.  I'm paying in the neighborhood of $600/yr for my C172 and parts are a heck of a lot easy to get from Cessna than from any LSA manufacturer I've ever dealt with.  I'm probably a bigger sport pilot proponent than anyone but on the aircraft price argument, an older Cessna does beat a new LSA hands down.

Helen

On 4/19/2012 5:07 PM, pwrsport@ix.netcom.com wrote:

Sounds like an over simplification to me.  A 20k 150 can become maintenance nightmare especially in a training environment.  I don't believe I would even get in a 20K 150 flying contraption? Then the additional inspections required, training insurance etc.  Not for this guy.  Five additional hours for a PP I believe is another oversimplification.  The flight time will be way in excess of that based on all national averages to cover all the additional training requirements.  Sport pilots can fly anywhere they want in the national airspace, just not at night.  Works for me.

Ed 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bair
Sent: Apr 19, 2012 9:51 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without renters, or renters...

 

My son bought an IFR equipped 150 for under $20k.  He plans on getting an instrument rating in it and instructing in it.  There is no way he could have paid 80 and up for a plane.  ROI, yes, much better. 

 

The license itself... I totally recommend to students that if they can get a medical, they are much better off with a PP over a SP if they have any idea of eventually upgrading.  Way more options on where and what they can fly.  I have had guys come back to me later wanting to upgrade to PP so they can fly at night, or fly a C-172 and haul 4 people, etc.  I always tell people that if they are absolutely sure that they will be happy flying within the limits of SP that it is a good way to go, but if they think they might want more in the future, they will have to study again for another written, more dual, and pay for another checkride.  There is only 5 more hours of dual time required for a PP anyway.   Don't get me wrong, it is a real license, it just has limitations.  If you don't mind those limitations, then no problem. 

 

I really haven't been following the used LSA market.  I'm sure some are out there now.  What are they bringing on the used market? 

 

Jim

 

From: ron_d_hill

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:18 PM

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA for rent without renters, or renters...

 

 

Well, one simple thing is a 150 can be bought for 20k and the current crop of LSA's are 80-100k.

If I were looking to buy an aircraft and get ROI.... ROI is going to be better on the Cessna 150.

Another issue with sport pilot is it is not seen as a 'real' license. The CFI's don't see it that way, the industry does not see it that way, the FAA sorta does not see it that way, and most pilots do not see it that way.

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