Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

Biker,

I am definitely not in the ken and barbie mold.

I had a very difficult time getting my initial fixed wing training.
The smallest usable Cessna for training was/is the 182.
Even then, we were using a lot of runway and climb rates were anemic.

All the LSA fixed wings I have ever entered left no room and no payload for the
instructor.

I flew hanggliders from 1978 through 2002, when a SUV ran over my legs.

I discovered Trike flying back in 1999. It was a natural progression from the
hanggliders.

In each of the many training flights in a trike, the trike was set up for a much
lighter pilot in the front seat. This resulted in many/most landings being of
the wheelbarrow variety. (no fun and very dangerous)

Fortunately, I lived through that (only broke one front axle, on a Northwing
Apache and folded the front forks on a early Northwing light trike).

My current trike, an Apex Cross, has the geometry setup/modified to handle my
weight in the front seat.

However, it does not have dual flight controls (throttle and kill switches) nor
dual steering/brakes so no WSC CFI SP will give me the proficiency test in it.
(I tried getting those things added to my trike, a miserable failure)

The available WSC CFI SP's (like Paul Hamilton in Carson City Nevada) have dinky
trikes (no leg room) with geometry setup for way less than my weight in the
front seat. (and will not let me take the proficiency test from the back seat.)
Personally, I think taking the proficiency test from the back seat would work
very well in those instructor owned SLSA trikes)

The result is, it has been 8 years since the birth of SP/LSA and I still do not
have the SP certificate. :-(

R. Williams




---------- Original Message -----------
From: "bikerider1959" <paulwalter@mchsi.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:59:45 -0000
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help

> so you're saying hey big guys, you have to have twice as many hours ,
> study more and get a medical before you can do what us thin guys can
> do with less time and our drivers license.
>
> this elitist attitude is one of the things that has kept me from even
> attempting to learn how to fly for 50 years, comments from pilots like
> you might have a hard time fitting in the plane, and we might not even
> be able to take off,or there is no way you could ever pass the
> medical exam,and other comments when ever I would ask questions about
> it. that made me feel inferior and forever afraid of trying to get a
> medical certification. so Now I hear about the new class of flying
> with a drivers license Medical requirement that is intended to bring
> more new pilots into general aviation with less cost to the
> individual. you would think that with all the talk about the "Aviation
> Community" and the "Aviation Family" out there that there would be
> more tolerance for peoples differences and more help in trying to find
> ways for people to realize their dream of flying, instead we have an
> elitist I am better than you fat boy attitude. new pilots are fine as
> long as they fit into the Ken And Barbie mold.
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > There is a class that allows a higher gross Its galled GA However the rules
are different Some people just dont fit Light SportGet over it
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "pwrsport@..." <pwrsport@...>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 3:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
> >
> >
> >  
> > Well of course.
> >  
> > Would be great if the gross could be increased to take advantage of capable
aircraft.
> >  
> > Ed
> >  
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Bill Bower
> > >Sent: Apr 26, 2012 11:46 AM
> > >To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com"
> > >Cc: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com"
> > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
> > >
> > > 
> > >Except LSA restriction is1320 so it does not matter what they demonstrate
because it would not qualify.
> > >
> > >Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:12 AM, "pwrsport@..." <pwrsport@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >I was just thinking, if a manufacture could demonstrate g loads that exceed
the numbers you show, could then result in having their sport plane with gross
weigh over 1320.  Could be your plane did exceed those numbers?  Say you load
up your plane to 1400 and still meet the requirement? You now have marketing
advantage over others.  There are planes out there that can handle over 1320. 
Having a plane with higher published g loads is good, but does not necessarily
translate into useful condition for the consumer.  I suspect if that could
happen, then the race would be on.   
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: apollonorthamerica
> > >>>Sent: Apr 26, 2012 9:06 AM
> > >>>To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>>Ed
> > >>>I am not sure what you mean.
> > >>>All ASTM compliant LSA airplanes have to meet the design criteria and
they have to show +4G and -2G at gross weight as allowed max load (working) and
ultimate being with a multiple of 1.5 (+6, -3). These loads are to be sustained
for certain number of seconds only as these are not aerobatic airplanes.
> > >>>
> > >>>There are various ways of showing this via static load tests or dynamic
testing.
> > >>>Abid
> > >>>
> > >>>Thatâs correct. I would like to see (but will never happen) the LSA
criteria for gross weight be established on a standard G load, say 2 and 4 which
would allow a 1320 gross. If a manufactures aircraft has a G load capacity
exceeding that then the gross weight could be higher until a force of 2 and 4 is
reached. Not sure what is going on out there right now with manufactures, but
some aircraft have low G load ratings, could some of those still list a 1320 max
weight just to fit in the field of all other light sport craft?
> > >>>
> > >>>Ed
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
------- End of Original Message -------



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