--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure life expectancy is required testing for part 23 either. Not all
> airplanes have a finite lifespan, but don't know why.
>
> Composites have their place in aviation. So do metal airplanes. So do tube
> and fabric. Good lord, its not a contest.
>
> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of dongeneda2000
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:40 AM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers
>
>
>
>
> Not only biased of course, but VERY OLD information. Ironically they quoted
> Boeing, who is about to roll out the 787 Dreamliner composite! You can see
> their change of heart here:
> http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/boeing-sets-pace-for-composite-usage
> -in-large-civil-aircraft.aspx
> I have been looking for life expectancy of the current LSA composites, but I
> think maybe FAA don't require such testing in LSA planes maybe?
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@> wrote:
> >
> >
> http://www.meyersaircraft.com/Common/Aluminum%20vs%20Composite%20Constructio
> > n.html
> > interesting article. I'm sure it is a bit biased.
> >
> > Lyle
> >
> > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of dongeneda2000
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:02 AM
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And of course the Sport Cruiser is a conventional aluminum construction,
> FAR
> > more labor intensive than say the very similar
> > Stingsport, a composite "spray into a mold" that should be far cheaper,
> but
> > it isn't.
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yea, but when the Sport Cruiser was first shown at Sun N Fun, it was
> > $65,000
> > > and that included the ballistic chute and headsets. Now it is $130,000
> and
> > > I know the Euro/USD ratio is not double what it was then.
> > >
> > > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
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> > > On Behalf Of dongeneda2000
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:56 AM
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
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> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have noticed that as well. Part of the problem is the low value of the
> > > dollar I think. When we have to pay $16,000 for a 120hp Jabiru engine,
> > when
> > > we can buy an entire car with a better engine for less than that,
> > something
> > > is way wrong. Yet our alternative is to buy a US engine that uses 1920
> and
> > > 1930 engineering - for even more!
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Amazing to me is that the LSA's that are produced in the US, cost the
> > same
> > > > as the ones produced overseas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > On Behalf Of medicbill@
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM
> > > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
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> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your going to find most LSA's composite or metal are not produced in
> the
> > > US
> > > > and probably will not due to the wage factor. Even Cessna is going to
> > > > produce the new Skycatcher in China. Most companies argue to keep the
> > > price
> > > > point down they have to manufacture them in low wage countries.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 5:12:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > airpark@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've only recently joined this group. the postings seem much more
> > > > professional - than a lot of other sites I routinely visit. Great
> > comments
> > > > and evalutions - on some possible LSA trainers.
> > > >
> > > > This group just made me aware of the high costs of repairing
> composites.
> > > > (And the safety factor (or lack of one?) - in crashes. And that not
> too
> > > > many are made here - thus, hurting our economy and job market(s).
> > (What's
> > > > new!?)
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know about the Patriot? Don Zank has four pictures of it
> on
> > > his
> > > > website: Zanklites.com. (Dave @ Quad City designed it.) It's metal
> > framed
> > > > - with fabric covering. The canopy is one piece, hinged on the side.
> > (I'm
> > > > wondering if making it - with a T-34 like canopy - would be doable.) ?
> > > > Down here in SW Florida, you couldn't fly -even taxi it around. Or at
> > most
> > > > places - in the summer.
> > > >
> > > > That would also make it easier to get in and out of. And making it
> look
> > > > more like a replica Warbird - might make it into an interesting 'Made
> in
> > > > America!' product. How good a basic trainer it would turn out to be -
> ?
> > > > But, it is nice looking. And Don says it flies well, has good
> > > cross-country
> > > > speed - and is capable of light aerobatics.
> > > >
> > > > Another possible 'Made in America' product - could be making Dennis
> > > > Whiley's* SPAD into a 'T-SPADXIII. 'T' standing for two place or
> > trainer.
> > > > All he'd have to do is use his Jenny fuselage - and add the grill and
> > > > trailing edge scallops to it. (He could also make his Jenny - into a
> > > > Clipped Wing Jenny. That would be two great LSA's! And I believe - as
> > > > quick built kits - they could be much less expensive - than most of
> > those
> > > > overseas composites. (And real 'show stoppers') !
> > > >
> > > > Just some observations from a 'Senior Citizen'. I'm trying to build a
> > > > Children's Aviation Center, a 'Naval Air Estates Airpark, and an
> > aviation
> > > > themed restaurant - down here in SW Florida. (I'm looking for
> financing
> > of
> > > > it.) It will also have some unique features - that will make it an
> > > > alternative energy center.
> > > >
> > > > For information on this 'dream project - (and my educational, military
> > and
> > > > aviation backgrounds.) visit: www.navalairestates.com
> > > > <http://www.navalairestates.com/> , I know I have had to miss some
> > ideas.
> > > > If any of you can contribute to the project - please do.
> > > >
> > > > As the economy is stagnant - I now plan to start - with a downsized
> > > > Children's Aviation Center - at a local airport in SW Florida. (while
> > > > trying to find financing for the larger project) Eventually, I'd like
> to
> > > > build a second such project - back home, in Mid- Michigan.
> > > >
> > > > Both(all future) Centers will provide aerospace education to local
> > > students,
> > > > honor women and minorites in aviation, create jobs, serve as
> alternative
> > > > energy labs, offer profit sharing - and add to the local economys!
> (not
> > > > China's and other Nations - ours!)
> > > >
> > > > And hopefully, each 'center' will have an LSA flying club - as 'part
> of
> > > the
> > > > picture'.
> > > > There will be a six place 'RAC' - rotating aircraft carrier - as the
> > > > 'centerpiece' of each center.
> > > >
> > > > * And/or Mike Loehle's SPADXIII version. He actually has three war
> bird
> > > > versions.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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