RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers

Not sure life expectancy is required testing for part 23 either.  Not all airplanes have a finite lifespan, but don’t know why.

 

Composites have their place in aviation.  So do metal airplanes.  So do tube and fabric.  Good lord, its not a contest.

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dongeneda2000
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers

 

 

Not only biased of course, but VERY OLD information. Ironically they quoted Boeing, who is about to roll out the 787 Dreamliner composite! You can see their change of heart here: http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/boeing-sets-pace-for-composite-usage-in-large-civil-aircraft.aspx
I have been looking for life expectancy of the current LSA composites, but I think maybe FAA don't require such testing in LSA planes maybe?

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.meyersaircraft.com/Common/Aluminum%20vs%20Composite%20Constructio
> n.html
> interesting article. I'm sure it is a bit biased.
>
> Lyle
>
> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of dongeneda2000
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers
>
>
>
>
> And of course the Sport Cruiser is a conventional aluminum construction, FAR
> more labor intensive than say the very similar
> Stingsport, a composite "spray into a mold" that should be far cheaper, but
> it isn't.
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@> wrote:
> >
> > Yea, but when the Sport Cruiser was first shown at Sun N Fun, it was
> $65,000
> > and that included the ballistic chute and headsets. Now it is $130,000 and
> > I know the Euro/USD ratio is not double what it was then.
> >
> > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of dongeneda2000
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:56 AM
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have noticed that as well. Part of the problem is the low value of the
> > dollar I think. When we have to pay $16,000 for a 120hp Jabiru engine,
> when
> > we can buy an entire car with a better engine for less than that,
> something
> > is way wrong. Yet our alternative is to buy a US engine that uses 1920 and
> > 1930 engineering - for even more!
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Amazing to me is that the LSA's that are produced in the US, cost the
> same
> > > as the ones produced overseas.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > On Behalf Of medicbill@
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group otherLSAtrainers
> > >
> > >
> > > Your going to find most LSA's composite or metal are not produced in the
> > US
> > > and probably will not due to the wage factor. Even Cessna is going to
> > > produce the new Skycatcher in China. Most companies argue to keep the
> > price
> > > point down they have to manufacture them in low wage countries.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 5:12:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > airpark@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've only recently joined this group. the postings seem much more
> > > professional - than a lot of other sites I routinely visit. Great
> comments
> > > and evalutions - on some possible LSA trainers.
> > >
> > > This group just made me aware of the high costs of repairing composites.
> > > (And the safety factor (or lack of one?) - in crashes. And that not too
> > > many are made here - thus, hurting our economy and job market(s).
> (What's
> > > new!?)
> > >
> > > Does anyone know about the Patriot? Don Zank has four pictures of it on
> > his
> > > website: Zanklites.com. (Dave @ Quad City designed it.) It's metal
> framed
> > > - with fabric covering. The canopy is one piece, hinged on the side.
> (I'm
> > > wondering if making it - with a T-34 like canopy - would be doable.) ?
> > > Down here in SW Florida, you couldn't fly -even taxi it around. Or at
> most
> > > places - in the summer.
> > >
> > > That would also make it easier to get in and out of. And making it look
> > > more like a replica Warbird - might make it into an interesting 'Made in
> > > America!' product. How good a basic trainer it would turn out to be - ?
> > > But, it is nice looking. And Don says it flies well, has good
> > cross-country
> > > speed - and is capable of light aerobatics.
> > >
> > > Another possible 'Made in America' product - could be making Dennis
> > > Whiley's* SPAD into a 'T-SPADXIII. 'T' standing for two place or
> trainer.
> > > All he'd have to do is use his Jenny fuselage - and add the grill and
> > > trailing edge scallops to it. (He could also make his Jenny - into a
> > > Clipped Wing Jenny. That would be two great LSA's! And I believe - as
> > > quick built kits - they could be much less expensive - than most of
> those
> > > overseas composites. (And real 'show stoppers') !
> > >
> > > Just some observations from a 'Senior Citizen'. I'm trying to build a
> > > Children's Aviation Center, a 'Naval Air Estates Airpark, and an
> aviation
> > > themed restaurant - down here in SW Florida. (I'm looking for financing
> of
> > > it.) It will also have some unique features - that will make it an
> > > alternative energy center.
> > >
> > > For information on this 'dream project - (and my educational, military
> and
> > > aviation backgrounds.) visit: www.navalairestates.com
> > > <http://www.navalairestates.com/> , I know I have had to miss some
> ideas.
> > > If any of you can contribute to the project - please do.
> > >
> > > As the economy is stagnant - I now plan to start - with a downsized
> > > Children's Aviation Center - at a local airport in SW Florida. (while
> > > trying to find financing for the larger project) Eventually, I'd like to
> > > build a second such project - back home, in Mid- Michigan.
> > >
> > > Both(all future) Centers will provide aerospace education to local
> > students,
> > > honor women and minorites in aviation, create jobs, serve as alternative
> > > energy labs, offer profit sharing - and add to the local economys! (not
> > > China's and other Nations - ours!)
> > >
> > > And hopefully, each 'center' will have an LSA flying club - as 'part of
> > the
> > > picture'.
> > > There will be a six place 'RAC' - rotating aircraft carrier - as the
> > > 'centerpiece' of each center.
> > >
> > > * And/or Mike Loehle's SPADXIII version. He actually has three war bird
> > > versions.
> > >
> >
>

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