-- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Brian Garrett <brian@...> wrote:
>
> Yup - until the 4th... I haven't been up since the 6th of Sept. I was
> supposed to go up today out of Centennial, but the WX killed that
> option. Maybe tomorrow. But with the light getting shorter and
> shorter, I'm going to be limited to weekends for a while. :(
>
> Nice re: the Cherokee. I've got an old high school friend who just
> moved back to FC who's a PP. I'll pass this along.
>
> Brian
>
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Lyle Cox wrote:
>
> >
> > LOL…..I guess that'd be right! Hey, is KEIK still closed down?
> >
> >
> >
> > And on another note, I just bought a Cherokee 140 with 160HP
> > Lycoming. Know anyone that wants ¼ partnernship up here in Fort
> > Collins area?
> >
> >
> >
> > Lyle Cox
> >
> >
> >
> > <image001.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> > Fun Aero Sports, LLC
> >
> > 3344 Long Creek Drive
> >
> > Fort Collins, CO 80528
> >
> >
> >
> > 970-631-3983
> >
> > www.funaerosports.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Garrett
> > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 4:31 PM
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if
> > Aircraft is really LSA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So would that mean it'll have weeping wings? ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Lyle Cox wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > True..FAR's do trump...but please..do NOT call my cub a Light Sport
> > Aircraft....it'll cry.
> >
> > Lyle Cox
> >
> > Fun Aero Sports, LLC
> > 3344 Long Creek Drive
> > Fort Collins, CO 80528
> >
> > 970-631-3983
> > www.funaerosports.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Helen Woods
> > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:59 PM
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if
> > Aircraft is
> > really LSA
> >
> > Actually Bob is correct. (I'm afraid the FARs trump Wikipedia.) -Helen
> >
> > Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
> > PART 1—DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS
> > § 1.1 General definitions.
> >
> > Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
> > powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to
> > meet the following:
> >
> > (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than—
> >
> > (i) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for
> > operation
> > on water; or
> >
> > (ii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for
> > operation
> > on water.
> >
> > (2) A maximum airspeed in level flight with maximum continuous power
> > (VH) of not more than 120 knots CAS under standard atmospheric
> > conditions at sea level.
> >
> > (3) A maximum never-exceed speed (VNE) of not more than 120 knots CAS
> > for a glider.
> >
> > (4) A maximum stalling speed or minimum steady flight speed without
> > the
> > use of lift-enhancing devices (VS1) of not more than 45 knots CAS at
> > the
> > aircraft's maximum certificated takeoff weight and most critical
> > center
> > of gravity.
> >
> > (5) A maximum seating capacity of no more than two persons, including
> > the pilot.
> >
> > (6) A single, reciprocating engine, if powered.
> >
> > (7) A fixed or ground-adjustable propeller if a powered aircraft other
> > than a powered glider.
> >
> > (8) A fixed or autofeathering propeller system if a powered glider.
> >
> > (9) A fixed-pitch, semi-rigid, teetering, two-blade rotor system, if a
> > gyroplane.
> >
> > (10) A nonpressurized cabin, if equipped with a cabin.
> >
> > (11) Fixed landing gear, except for an aircraft intended for operation
> > on water or a glider.
> >
> > (12) Fixed or retractable landing gear, or a hull, for an aircraft
> > intended for operation on water.
> >
> > (13) Fixed or retractable landing gear for a glider.
> >
> > Lyle Cox wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well…no..he is correct. Take for example the Ercoupe 415C, which
> > is a
> > > part 23 certifcated aircraft. However, the 415C qualifies to be
> > flown
> > > by a Sport Pilot, but that does not make it a Light Sport Aircraft.
> > >
> > > "In addition to aircraft specifically designed to meet the LSA
> > > requirements, certain certificated aircraft, such as the original
> > > Piper Cub <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Cub>, happen to fall
> > > within the definition of a light-sport aircraft and can be
> > operated by
> > > individuals holding FAA Sport Pilot certificates. The aircraft can
> > not
> > > be re-certificated as LSA, however: although Sport Pilots may
> > operate
> > > conventionally certificated aircraft that fall within the definition
> > > of an LSA, the aircraft themselves continue to be certificated in
> > > their original categories."
> > > …..Wikipedia….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-sport_aircraft
> > >
> > > The difference is, a part 23 certificated aircraft "complies" with
> > the
> > > definition of light sport aircraft, but it is still a Part 23
> > > certificated aircraft, NOT a "Light Sport Aircraft" which is
> > certified
> > > by ASTM standards.
> > >
> > > Lyle Cox
> > >
> > > Fun Aero Sports Logo
> > >
> > > Fun Aero Sports, LLC
> > >
> > > 3344 Long Creek Drive
> > >
> > > Fort Collins, CO 80528
> > >
> > > 970-631-3983
> > >
> > > www.funaerosports.com
> > >
> > > *From:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Comperini
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:32 PM
> > > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if
> > > Aircraft is really LSA
> > >
> > > On 02:10 PM 10/10/2009, Richard Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > >Dongen,
> > > >
> > > >NO airplane that has been certificated as 'standard' catagory (or
> > > similar) can ever be a LSA.
> > >
> > > Whoah! not true at all. there are several standard category aircraft
> > > that are LSAs, and can be flown by a Sport Pilot
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bob Comperini
> > > e-mail: bob@... <mailto:bob%40fly-ul.com>
> > > WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Brian Garrett
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> > http://web.mac.com/ibgarrett/
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> >
> >
> > "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
> > you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
> > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in
> > your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Brian Garrett
> brian@...
> http://web.mac.com/ibgarrett/
> Yes We Can!
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