dongen,
If the Ercoupe was a model 415-c, it matches the LSA criteria and could be flown be a Sport Pilot.
If the Ercoupe was a model 415-g, it has a too high a max ramp weight, therefore does not match the LSA criteria, and could not be flown by a Sport Pilot.
R. Williams
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From: "dongeneda2000" <DonGeneda@bigfoot.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:01:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if Aircraft is really LSA
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> Thank you Helen, you seem to have made some sense out of the rules that sometimes seem silly.
> So, back to my original question, IF I were to change an Ercoupe to Experimental category (which means that I as an A&P could perform annuals on it) then I could still fly that experimental plane with only sport pilot priveleges, AS LONG AS I did nothing to change it out of the rules for LSA class aircraft?
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@
> >
> > Good grief I woke up to a lot of misinformation in my mailbox this
> > morning! Well here's the skinny folks:
> >
> > 1. If you take a look at the airworthiness certificate of an LSA it is
> > NOT certificated as an LSA. It will be certificated as STANDARD,
> > EXPERIMENTAL, or SPECIAL.
> >
> > 2. Additionally, if you read the actual definition of an LSA from the
> > FARs (I sent this around last night) there is NOTHING in there about
> > changing certificate categories, only changing parameters such as weight
> > or speed that would take the plane beyond he definition of an LSA
> >
> > 3. For example, what you can't do is get an STC for a gross weight
> > increase beyond 1320 (as is the case on many Champs) and then undo it to
> > make it an LSA again.
> >
> > 4. No. An STC or 337 most certainly does not make a plane an
> > experimental. If it did, 99% of the planes on any given ramp would be
> > experimental. (STCs and 337s are a way of life for a certificated
> > airplane owner. I have a 3 inch binder contain mine for my 1965
> > standard category Cessna.)
> >
> > 5. No. An STC has nothing to do with the manufacturer in most cases.
> > Every wonder why why a set of retrofited Cessna air vents from Sporty's
> > costs $700? Because a private company went through the FAA certification
> > processs to receive the STC for them. An STC is extremly expensive to
> > get because of the FAA testing and paperwork required. That's part of
> > the reason that SLSAs do not use STCs but use LOAs from the manufacturer
> > instead. Dealing with the FAA to get an STC is expensive. Your local
> > FSDO controls the alternative the 337 and can be problematic.
> >
> > 6. Aercoupe rudder pedals are either an STC or 337 deal and certainly
> > do not make the plane either illegal or experimental when installed by
> > and A&P and accompanied by the proper paperwork.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Richard Williams wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Normally, I do not disagree with your statements, so perhaps there is
> > > some mis-understanding here.
> > >
> > > The definition of a LSA, amongst other things, say that the plane can
> > > not ever have been certificated in any other catagory.
> > >
> > > True, a SP pilot can fly a plane that meets the limitations of a LSA,
> > > However, that does not make that plane a LSA.
> > >
> > >
> > > R. Williams
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *---------- Original Message -----------*
> > > From: Bob Comperini <bob@...>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@
> > > Sent: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:32:05 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if Aircraft
> > > is really LSA
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 02:10 PM 10/10/2009, Richard Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Dongen,
> > > > >
> > > > >NO airplane that has been certificated as 'standard' catagory (or
> > > similar) can ever be a LSA.
> > > >
> > > > Whoah! not true at all. there are several standard category aircraft
> > > that are LSAs, and can be flown by a Sport Pilot
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bob Comperini
> > > > e-mail: bob@... <mailto:bob%
> > > > WWW: http://www.fly-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > *------- End of Original Message -------*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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