protecting and serving the public???
Lets take a real world example...
A month or so ago, some aircraft engine dealer refused to hand over our trike and new
engine unless we paid him an additional bribe of $711
When we went to pick up the trike, engine, ect (with the $711 in hand) that dealer came
off his front porch with an assault rifle, unslung the rifle and brought it to bear
upon us.
We ran, contacted the police, gave our story and our paper evidence that the product is
ours and that the dealer had already been paid.
The police would not perform a 'citizen assist' to help us retrieve our
trike/engine/etc.
They indicated the only way they would assist a citizen is via a court order.
So much for 'serving the public'.
R. Williams
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From: "Rick Pitcher" <
lightflyer@adelphia.net>
To: <
Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:32:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves Kings issue -
AOPA
> Very good post. Thanks for some reality interjected into the discussion.
>
> I have a good friend who recently became a cop. This young man is one
> of the most straight-forward honest people that I have ever had the
> pleasure of knowing. I pray frequently that he comes home safe after a
> night out "protecting and serving" the public. When some blowhards
> that can't find solutions to thier own self-made problems starts
> bashing cops or soldiers I have to comment. (not that THAT happened
> HERE of course!).
>
> Thanks for your service Jerrytex
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jerryetex" <
jerry230@tconline.net>
> To: <
Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:28 AM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves
> Kings issue - AOPA
>
> >I never post on this site. I mostly just read between the ridiculous
> >comments searching for the smallest amount of information related to LSA.
> >This topic and the comments associated have really hit a nerve with me and
> >I have to put my 2 cents in and then I am done with this group. Unless you
> >have ever been a cop, you should shut your pie hole. No one can understand
> >what the cops go through unless you have walked in their shoes. Someone
> >commented about being scared and trigger happy. You're damn right cops can
> >be scared and trigger happy. It's the nature of the business when you are
> >dealing with low life people that are waiting for the right time to try and
> >hurt you when you let your guard down. Cops NEVER...NEVER, know where the
> >next threat is coming from. Whether it's sitting in a coffee shop or
> >performing a high risk stop on an airplane they just don't know when some
> >crazy idiot is going to try and hurt them. As far as "verifying" the
> >information....please! Do you think most street cops know how to do a N
> >number inquiry? In addition, if the National Crime Computer (NCIC) has a
> >vehicle listed as stolen, that in itself is "verified" information and that
> >is probable cause to make the stop and investigate, which is what they did.
> >This was treated like any other high risk stop made on a stolen car, truck,
> >boat or airplane and detaining (not arresting like one of the morons on
> >this site posted)the individuals in the vehicle while investigating. This
> >happens everyday all across the country and high risk stops are done to
> >protect the cops and the suspects, and this one only made the news because
> >it was an airplane. Should this have been fixed years ago and taken out of
> >NCIC. Yes. Does that change the fact on how the police handled this. Hell
> >no. So for all you cop bashers, how would you want the police to handle
> >your stolen airplane. Take the stance of, "well it's probably not really
> >stolen and most likely a clerical error, so I'll just let it go. I sure
> >don't want to seem a big bully by handcuffing someone"; or pull the suspect
> >out of your plane, detain (not arrest) them and investigate. Anyone who
> >thinks that they can do something beneficial such as writing a program that
> >will keep this from happening again, then go for it. Be part of the
> >solution instead of bitching about how the cops do their job and threating
> >to sue everyone at the drop of a hat. If you feel like you can do better,
> >call your local police recruiter and sign up. Most police departments would
> >love to have the knowledge base that alot of people on this site have
> >proclaimed. Yes I am a cop in case you haven't figured it out yet. I'm
> >going flying now. Peace out.
> >
> > --- In
Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyg51147" <james-galvin@...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Your logic is flawed in so many ways that I don't have time to detail all
> >> of them. Here are some:
> >> 1) "It is not their job to verify information given to them from a
> >> federal agency." It IS their job. And sooner or later it has to be done.
> >> Here they chose to verify it after committing all the resources detailed
> >> in the report and detaining the Kings. Had they done the verification
> >> prior to starting out the police could have spent the time eating their
> >> favorite doughnuts.
> >>
> >> 2)"The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies and possibly Cessna who
> >> knew this N number had a problem and should have made sure it had been
> >> changed." You expect Cessna or for that matter you or I to check EVERY
> >> data base (past, present, and particularly the obsolete ones) to make
> >> sure the N-number we are using is free and clear in each database. Please
> >> explain how we are to accomplish is task and rectify any discrepancies.
> >> 3) "I think that the FAA also should not reissue numbers from a stolen
> >> aircraft in such a short period of time or maybe never reissue them so
> >> something like this could not happen again." I don't even know where to
> >> start with this one!
> >> 4) "They acted they way they have been trained and the department
> >> policy." And you thought this was appropriate. This was hilarious.
> >> KEYSTONE COPS comes to mind. I got a kick out of them asking John King
> >> where the VIN number was located on the plane.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In
Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, medicbill@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I believe the police acted appropriately based upon the information
> >> > they recieved. It is not their job to verify information given to them
> >> > from a federal agency. The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies
> >> > and possibly Cessna who knew this N number had a problem and should
> >> > have made sure it had been changed. Especially since it had happened
> >> > before. Has this plane flown since the last time it I think that the
> >> > FAA also should not reissue numbers from a stolen aircraft in such a
> >> > short period of time or maybe never reissue them so something like this
> >> > could not happen again.
> >> >
> >> > If it had not involved a high profile couple it would not even been
> >> > found on the back page of the arts section. The police were given a
> >> > report of a stolen aircraft from a government agency. The police have
> >> > to depend on the reliability of that report and act upon it
> >> > appropriately. Which is exactly what they did. In todays world after
> >> > 911 how can they act any other way.
> >> >
> >> > As far as how they handled the situation after the Kings landing to the
> >> > police they were conducting a felony stop. No different then they would
> >> > if it was a stolen vehicle. They had no idea who was in that plane.
> >> > They acted they way they have been trained and the department policy.
> >> > To do it any other way is how police officers end up dead.
> >> >
> >> > The fault lays with the FAA and the government agencies who handle the
> >> > registrations and the databases that the information comes from not the
> >> > police who are doing their jobs. The Kings were only detained and not
> >> > arrested. Once the info was cleared up they were released. Can it be
> >> > stressful? Yes. I met the Kings at Oshkosh and even though they may be
> >> > getting up in years they both appeared to me to be tough people and I
> >> > am sure they handled it very well. Obviously they figured out a
> >> > training angle from the situation just like you would expect they
> >> > would.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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