Has anyone formed a LS flying club around a Challenger II? I'm thinking about rying that - with mine, in SW Florida. Pictures & informaion - on www.navalairestates.com.
(There's also information on the two Children's Aviation Centers / alternative energy(s) Laboratorys I'd like to build. One in SW Florida. The other in Mid- Michigan. And ideas/ suggestions - please share them. Thanks - Bob McDonagh
Messages In This Digest (17 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: LSA From: Helen Woods
- 1.2.
- Re: LSA From: James Meade
- 1.3.
- Re: LSA From: Bill Hobson
- 1.4.
- Re: LSA From: Roger Poyner
- 1.5.
- Re: LSA From: Jerry
- 2.1.
- Re: Standard category LSA From: jimmyg51147
- 2.2.
- Re: Standard category LSA From: jimmyg51147
- 2.3.
- "double medical" From: peppypilot@gmail.com
- 2.4.
- Re: Standard category LSA From: Bill Hobson
- 2.5.
- "we're not happy until you're not happy" From: peppypilot@gmail.com
- 2.6.
- Re: "we're not happy until you're not happy" From: Lloyd Smith
- 2.7.
- Re: "we're not happy until you're not happy" From: Helen Woods
- 2.8.
- Re: "double medical" From: John Weber
- 2.9.
- Re: Standard category LSA From: Couleeone@aol.com
- 2.10.
- Re: Standard category LSA From: palmettoe@aol.com
- 2.11.
- Re: Standard category LSA From: palmettoe@aol.com
- 2.12.
- Re: Standard category LSA From: Greg
Messages
- 1.1.
Re: LSA
Posted by: "Helen Woods" Helen_Woods@verizon.net hwoods4421
Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:19 am (PST)
SNF and OSH are also great places to learn about the classics. There'll
be lots of owners of such with their planes at those shows. There's
also the big Sentimental Journey fly-in at Lockhaven if you think a
Piper or T-Craft might be in your future. Worth putting on your 2011
calendar.
Helen
On 11/27/2010 11:37 PM, peppypilot@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Thanks. That's where I am cruising now.
>
> Lots to learn. Glad I am starting early.
>
> Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
> from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@yahoo.com
> <mailto:peterwalker58@yahoo.com >> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>> if you want information on specific complying standard category
>> aircraft ask on the relevant forums There will be lots more
>> information available.
>> Peter
>>
>> --- On *Sun, 11/28/10, peppypilot@gmail.com
>> <mailto:peppypilot@gmail.com > /<peppypilot@gmail.com
>> <mailto:peppypilot@gmail.com >>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: peppypilot@gmail.com <mailto:peppypilot@gmail.com >
>> <peppypilot@gmail.com <mailto:peppypilot@gmail.com >>
>> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
>> To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
>> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. >"com
>> <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
>> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. >>com
>> Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 2:25 PM
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. I have a current medical and have never
>> been denied. If I purchase a LSA, I may keep my medical current.
>> All of this is just part of a prospective pre-buy thought
>> process. I might go back to a standard certicated aircraft. Maybe
>> experimental. At my age, 63, I've started to collect friends
>> embroiled in expensive and time-consuming medical paper-shuffles.
>> Most of my flying is by myself or with my wife, day vfr, so I am
>> thinking about getting ahead of that curve.
>>
>> Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
>> from my iPhone.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lesmith240@gmail.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful about the medical. If ever denied a medical, it
>>> exempts you from the LSP program.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Cathy and Joe
>>> <peppypilot@gmail.com <mailto:peppypilot@gmail.com >> wrote:
>>>
>>> Geetings all!
>>>
>>> I am a brand new member and hope I am in the right place.
>>>
>>> I have been an intrument rated private pilot SEL for 28
>>> years and former owner of a Cherokee 140. I am thinking of
>>> jumping back into ownership, but at my age, would prefer a
>>> LSA to avoid the medical bureaucray of the FAA should a
>>> medical condition develop. Most of my flying nowadays is day
>>> vfr with my wife or a buddy anyway, so not much to be lost.
>>>
>>> Legacy aircraft seem to include Luscomb, Ercoupe, Aeronca,
>>> Taylorcraft and Piper Cubs.
>>>
>>> I am hoping this group has some experience with these
>>> aircraft and/or can point me in the right direction.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------- --------- ------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>> Sport_Aircraft-fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com
>>> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft-fullfeatured@ >yahoogroups. com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a
>>> large number of
>>> electrons were terribly inconvenienced*
>>
>
>
>- 1.2.
Re: LSA
Posted by: "James Meade" jnmeade@southslope.net jnmeade2001
Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:30 am (PST)
Joe and I are on the same search and come from the same GA situation, but
I am looking at newer, fast and roomy kit LSA while Joe is interested in
the classics. This discussion has been very helpful for me to understand
why this group seemed an odd fit to me at first - the group comes from a
different perspective. No wonder. I'll continue to scan the digests but
am also now inspired to look around a little more and not expect my needs
to be met by people who have a different interest. Thanks for the
discussion. FWIW, I haven't found my interests addressed very well
anywhere else. AOPA and the other pilots boards don't have enough SP or
LSA critical mass to be useful. EAA and other "sport pilot" sites don't
seem to, either, for some reason.
Jim- 1.3.
Re: LSA
Posted by: "Bill Hobson" wrhobson@aol.com billhobson@rocketmail.com
Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:07 am (PST)
Roger: I noticed you mentioned that you are an A&P. It seems to me that my engine (a Lycoming O235-N2C) sometimes exhibits a rapid "hammering" sound in the 2600-2700 rpm range. (Or, it may just be the "biting" of the prop in the oncoming air stream.) This usually happens when it is severe clear, no traffic in the area, living-room chair smooth and little radio activity so maybe its just the result of an overactive imagination. (We need SOMETHING to worry about at all times, don't we?) I'm approaching annual time and wondered if there was any kind of test (short of a tear-down) that can evaluate any developing "sloppiness" in the connecting rod or wrist-pin bearings. (If these automotive terms have a corresponding airplane engine application.) Do you know of any such test or equipment that can do that?
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Poyner
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
I should learn to proof read before hitting send. What should have been said is that we are not all UL pilots transitioning to Sport. I have 1,000 in GA planes as well as an A&P license. Right now I work and fly on light sport planes. They fill the need to fly and not spend a bunch of money. Checking in on type specific sites is the best way to go if you are interested in a particular type. Take care. Roger P
--------------------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
From: Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@yahoo.com >
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 11:25:16 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
All of us in the group are transitioning UL pilots. I started with ULs but have a bit of GA background. The sport side fits most of my flying desires and is a bit simpler. Roger P
--------------------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
From: "peppypilot@gmail.com " <peppypilot@gmail.com >
To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. " <Sport_Aircraft@com yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 10:37:28 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
Thanks. That's where I am cruising now.
Lots to learn. Glad I am starting early.
Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
from my iPhone
On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@yahoo.com > wrote:
Hello
if you want information on specific complying standard category aircraft ask on the relevant forums There will be lots more information available.
Peter
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, peppypilot@gmail.com <peppypilot@gmail.com > wrote:
From: peppypilot@gmail.com <peppypilot@gmail.com >
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. " <Sport_Aircraft@com yahoogroups. >com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 2:25 PM
Thanks for the reply. I have a current medical and have never been denied. If I purchase a LSA, I may keep my medical current. All of this is just part of a prospective pre-buy thought process. I might go back to a standard certicated aircraft. Maybe experimental. At my age, 63, I've started to collect friends embroiled in expensive and time-consuming medical paper-shuffles. Most of my flying is by myself or with my wife, day vfr, so I am thinking about getting ahead of that curve.
Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
from my iPhone.
On Nov 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@gmail.com > wrote:
Be careful about the medical. If ever denied a medical, it exempts you from the LSP program.
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Cathy and Joe <peppypilot@gmail.com > wrote:
Geetings all!
I am a brand new member and hope I am in the right place.
I have been an intrument rated private pilot SEL for 28 years and former owner of a Cherokee 140. I am thinking of jumping back into ownership, but at my age, would prefer a LSA to avoid the medical bureaucray of the FAA should a medical condition develop. Most of my flying nowadays is day vfr with my wife or a buddy anyway, so not much to be lost.
Legacy aircraft seem to include Luscomb, Ercoupe, Aeronca, Taylorcraft and Piper Cubs.
I am hoping this group has some experience with these aircraft and/or can point me in the right direction.
Thanks,
Joe
--------------------- --------- ------
Yahoo! Groups Links
--
*No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced*- 1.4.
Re: LSA
Posted by: "Roger Poyner" rogpoyn@yahoo.com rogpoyn
Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:21 am (PST)
No test comes to mind other than a bore scope and even that will not tell the
whole story. A top tear down doesn't take that long and will allow the bearings
to be checked on the rods. If it feels funny I would sure check it out. Roger
P
_____________________ _________ __
From: Bill Hobson <wrhobson@aol.com >
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 9:01:56 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
Roger: I noticed you mentioned that you are an A&P. It seems to me that my
engine (a Lycoming O235-N2C) sometimes exhibits a rapid "hammering" sound in the
2600-2700 rpm range. (Or, it may just be the "biting" of the prop in the
oncoming air stream.) This usually happens when it is severe clear, no traffic
in the area, living-room chair smooth and little radio activity so maybe its
just the result of an overactive imagination. (We need SOMETHING to worry about
at all times, don't we?) I'm approaching annual time and wondered if there was
any kind of test (short of a tear-down) that can evaluate any developing
"sloppiness" in the connecting rod or wrist-pin bearings. (If these automotive
terms have a corresponding airplane engine application.) Do you know of any such
test or equipment that can do that?
----- Original Message -----
>From: Roger Poyner
>To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:54 AM
>Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
>
>
>I should learn to proof read before hitting send. What should have been said is
>that we are not all UL pilots transitioning to Sport. I have 1,000 in GA planes
>as well as an A&P license. Right now I work and fly on light sport planes.
>They fill the need to fly and not spend a bunch of money. Checking in on type
>specific sites is the best way to go if you are interested in a particular
>type. Take care. Roger P
>
>
>
>
_____________________ _________ __
From: Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@yahoo.com >
>To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 11:25:16 PM
>Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
>
>
>All of us in the group are transitioning UL pilots. I started with ULs but have
>a bit of GA background. The sport side fits most of my flying desires and is a
>bit simpler. Roger P
>
>
>
>
_____________________ _________ __
From: "peppypilot@gmail.com " <peppypilot@gmail.com >
>To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. " <Sport_Aircraft@com yahoogroups. >com
>Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 10:37:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
>
>
>Thanks. That's where I am cruising now.
>
>
>Lots to learn. Glad I am starting early.
>
>Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
>from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hello
>> if you want information on specific complying standard category aircraft ask on
>>the relevantforums There will be lots more information available.
>>Peter
>>
>>--- On Sun, 11/28/10, peppypilot@gmail.com <peppypilot@gmail.com >wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: peppypilot@gmail.com <peppypilot@gmail.com >
>>>Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
>>>To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. " <Sport_Aircraft@com yahoogroups. >com
>>>Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 2:25 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for the reply. I have a current medical and have never been denied. If I
>>>purchase a LSA, I may keep my medical current. All of this is just part of a
>>>prospective pre-buy thought process. I might go back to a standard certicated
>>>aircraft. Maybe experimental. At my age, 63, I've started to collect friends
>>>embroiled in expensive and time-consuming medical paper-shuffles. Most of my
>>>flying is by myself or with my wife, day vfr, so I am thinking about getting
>>>ahead of that curve.
>>>
>>>Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
>>>from my iPhone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Nov 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Be careful about the medical. If ever denied a medical, it exempts you from the
>>>>LSP program.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Cathy and Joe <peppypilot@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Geetings all!
>>>>>
>>>>>I am a brand new member and hope I am in the right place.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have been an intrument rated private pilot SEL for 28 years and former owner
>>>>>of a Cherokee 140. I am thinking of jumping back into ownership, but at my age,
>>>>>would prefer a LSA to avoid the medical bureaucray of the FAA should a medical
>>>>>condition develop. Most of my flying nowadays is day vfr with my wife or a buddy
>>>>>anyway, so not much to be lost.
>>>>>
>>>>>Legacy aircraft seem to include Luscomb, Ercoupe, Aeronca, Taylorcraft and Piper
>>>>>Cubs.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am hoping this group has some experience with these aircraft and/or can point
>>>>>me in the right direction.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>---------------- --------- --------- --
>>>>>
>>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>*No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of
>>>>electrons were terribly inconvenienced*
>>>>
>
>- 1.5.
Re: LSA
Posted by: "Jerry" jself1@carolina.rr.com self_jerry
Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:05 pm (PST)
I am a longtime private pilot who went the LSP route in 2005 mainly due to the rule about ever failing a medical.
The majority of the certified aircraft that qualify as a LSA are hand propped and relatively slow and conventional gear. The payload is limited. One of the fastest is the Taylorcraft.
The Erocupe is tricycle gear.
I went with the SLSA of a Legend Cub which fits my flying needs. This aircraft would not meet your needs in terms of cross country or payload.
I think you should look at the Tecnam Series of SLSA's. Helen could give you good advice depending on your requirements.
Jerry in NC
From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@com yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of peppypilot@gmail.com com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:37 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA
Thanks. That's where I am cruising now.
Lots to learn. Glad I am starting early.
Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
from my iPhone
- 2.1.
Re: Standard category LSA
Posted by: "jimmyg51147" james-galvin@sbcglobal.net jimmyg51147
Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:38 am (PST)
Joe:
Both EAA & AOPA websites offer lists of LSA airplanes. They include legacy as well as the newer ones. Look there to decide what is right for you. There are hundreds of them.
Jimmy
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. , Joe Moore <peppypilot@com ...> wrote:
>
> I guess my post was not clear - it's a holiday weekend here with lots of
> kiddie interuptions here!
>
> I have a current medical (went flying with my wife this morning to Wisconsin
> for breakfast in a Turbo Arrow).
>
> If I decide to buy again, I would like it to be a light sport qualified
> aircraft. I may even keep my medical current after purchase, but since I fly
> day vfr mostly anyway, I am considering a LSA.
>
> I have the list of qualifying aircraft - I am looking for a pilot's group
> that may share insights about owning and operating some of the qualifiying
> aircraft. I belong to two Piper groups, who are a wealth of useful
> information about Piper Cherokees (I know I saved 1000's of dollars with
> ideas from those groups). I'd like to find a place where I could get some of
> that informal input about LSA. What's a Luscombe like to own? Likely
> troublespots? That kind of thing.
>
> I will continue to look.
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> Joe Moore- 2.2.
Re: Standard category LSA
Posted by: "jimmyg51147" james-galvin@sbcglobal.net jimmyg51147
Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:48 am (PST)
Joe:
There is a simple and easy way around this. If you have doubts, tell the AME you want to go through a "Pre-Medical" exam. Have him do everything he would do during a medical except the paperwork. I have asked FAA officials about this and they say there is nothing wrong with having this done. One even laughed when I asked if it would be OK with the doctor. He said "They are in business to make money. Aren't they!"
Jimmy
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. , Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@com ...> wrote:
>
> Be careful about the medical. If ever denied a medical, it exempts you from
> the LSP program.
>- 2.3.
"double medical"
Posted by: "peppypilot@gmail.com" peppypilot@gmail.com cathyandpepe@att.net
Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:49 am (PST)
Excellent idea and I have actually done this last medical.
At this point, I have no disqualifying issues.
But, with advancing age....if I am going to buy another plane, and
most of my flying is local, day, vfr - and I already have a tailwheel
endorsement - maybe lsa is for me. As long as I keep my medical I
could rent a faster, larger plane as needed.
Thanks again for the info -
Joe
Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:48 AM, "jimmyg51147" <james-
galvin@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>
> Joe:
> There is a simple and easy way around this. If you have doubts, tell
> the AME you want to go through a "Pre-Medical" exam. Have him do
> everything he would do during a medical except the paperwork. I have
> asked FAA officials about this and they say there is nothing wrong
> with having this done. One even laughed when I asked if it would be
> OK with the doctor. He said "They are in business to make money.
> Aren't they!"
> Jimmy
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. , Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@com ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Be careful about the medical. If ever denied a medical, it exempts
> you from
> > the LSP program.
> >
>
>- 2.4.
Re: Standard category LSA
Posted by: "Bill Hobson" wrhobson@aol.com billhobson@rocketmail.com
Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:50 am (PST)
Joe:
At 64 I went through the same mental gymnastics that you are going through about a year ago. After looking at the Light Sport marketplace, and faced with the knowledge that I could PROBABLY get my medical back (it had never been denied, just lapsed) I chose to get my medical and bought a used certificated airplane. This was mainly driven by the huge price spread between the 2-place LSA planes available and the 2-place certificated airplane I was able to acquire via the Internet (a bank repo). (As an aside, I also wanted to re-acquire my IFR capability, just in case, so I preferred an IFR plane.) I was able to buy a 2004 2-place IFR trainer equipped with a Garmin GNS430 for under $40k. It's not near as sexy as most of the LSA's, but it gives a real 95 knots on 5.5gph. Most of the used LSA airplanes I studied were in the $80-90k range and although it would have been nice to have something with a fresher coat of paint, I just couldn't justify the price spread for a vehicle I would likely only use less than 10 hours a month. No single answer is right for everybody, but the whole issue, in my opinion, hinges on a realistic evaluation of your ability to get/hold a third-class medical certificate. The way the rules are written its OK for someone who is deaf, crippled and blind to fly an LSA as long as the FAA has never learned about it by them failing the exam. It's a goofy way to control the situation. They should just say that if you are able to get a drivers license in your state, you can fly an LSA, irrespective of what may or may not have happened during your last attempt to get a third-class medical. If only they had checked with me before writing the rule I could have straightened them all out!
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Moore
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Standard category LSA
I guess my post was not clear - it's a holiday weekend here with lots of kiddie interuptions here!
I have a current medical (went flying with my wife this morning to Wisconsin for breakfast in a Turbo Arrow).
If I decide to buy again, I would like it to be a light sport qualified aircraft. I may even keep my medical current after purchase, but since I fly day vfr mostly anyway, I am considering a LSA.
I have the list of qualifying aircraft - I am looking for a pilot's group that may share insights about owning and operating some of the qualifiying aircraft. I belong to two Piper groups, who are a wealth of useful information about Piper Cherokees (I know I saved 1000's of dollars with ideas from those groups). I'd like to find a place where I could get some of that informal input about LSA. What's a Luscombe like to own? Likely troublespots? That kind of thing.
I will continue to look.
Thanks for your response.
Joe Moore
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Richard Williams <rkwill@lewiscounty.com > wrote:
Joe,
After reading your post, I'm a bit confused, What exactly are you asking?
To avoid all the medical issues, you will need to fly as a sport pilot, with the
attendant restrictions, like no night flight.
I do not know if the planes you mentioned meet the restrictions for LSA
aircraft. If they do, then you can fly one of them. If they do not, then you
will have to look at some different planes.
R. Williams
---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Cathy and Joe" <peppypilot@gmail.com >
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:16:51 -0000
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Standard category LSA
> Geetings all!
>
> I am a brand new member and hope I am in the right place.
>
> I have been an intrument rated private pilot SEL for 28 years and
> former owner of a Cherokee 140. I am thinking of jumping back into
> ownership, but at my age, would prefer a LSA to avoid the medical
> bureaucray of the FAA should a medical condition develop. Most of my
> flying nowadays is day vfr with my wife or a buddy anyway, so not much
> to be lost.
>
> Legacy aircraft seem to include Luscomb, Ercoupe, Aeronca, Taylorcraft
> and Piper Cubs.
>
> I am hoping this group has some experience with these aircraft and/or
> can point me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
------- End of Original Message -------- 2.5.
"we're not happy until you're not happy"
Posted by: "peppypilot@gmail.com" peppypilot@gmail.com cathyandpepe@att.net
Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:04 am (PST)
...as they say, is the motto in play here.
This whole issue could have been made much simpler and just as
effectve in my mind if the medical issue were defined along the lines
you suggest.
I can drive a 20 ton motorhome, towing a car, at high speed and in
dense traffic - no medical required. But cannot fly a 2000# airplane
in big skies without a medical.
Also, they could have easily been more inclusive of 2 place airplanes:
including the Cessnas 120,140,150 & 152 would have really made this
sweet - and what of the 100-300 pond difference?
Bah!
Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:49 AM, "Bill Hobson" <wrhobson@aol.com > wrote:
> Joe:
> At 64 I went through the same mental gymnastics that you are going
> through about a year ago. After looking at the Light Sport
> marketplace, and faced with the knowledge that I could PROBABLY get
> my medical back (it had never been denied, just lapsed) I chose to
> get my medical and bought a used certificated airplane. This was
> mainly driven by the huge price spread between the 2-place LSA
> planes available and the 2-place certificated airplane I was able to
> acquire via the Internet (a bank repo). (As an aside, I also wanted
> to re-acquire my IFR capability, just in case, so I preferred an IFR
> plane.) I was able to buy a 2004 2-place IFR trainer equipped with a
> Garmin GNS430 for under $40k. It's not near as sexy as most of the
> LSA's, but it gives a real 95 knots on 5.5gph. Most of the used LSA
> airplanes I studied were in the $80-90k range and although it would
> have been nice to have something with a fresher coat of paint, I
> just couldn't justify the price spread for a vehicle I would likely
> only use less than 10 hours a month. No single answer is right for
> everybody, but the whole issue, in my opinion, hinges on a realistic
> evaluation of your ability to get/hold a third-class medical
> certificate. The way the rules are written its OK for someone who is
> deaf, crippled and blind to fly an LSA as long as the FAA has never
> learned about it by them failing the exam. It's a goofy way to
> control the situation. They should just say that if you are able to
> get a drivers license in your state, you can fly an LSA,
> irrespective of what may or may not have happened during your last
> attempt to get a third-class medical. If only they had checked with
> me before writing the rule I could have straightened them all out!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Moore
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Standard category LSA
>
>
> I guess my post was not clear - it's a holiday weekend here with
> lots of kiddie interuptions here!
>
> I have a current medical (went flying with my wife this morning to
> Wisconsin for breakfast in a Turbo Arrow).
>
> If I decide to buy again, I would like it to be a light sport
> qualified aircraft. I may even keep my medical current after
> purchase, but since I fly day vfr mostly anyway, I am considering a
> LSA.
>
> I have the list of qualifying aircraft - I am looking for a pilot's
> group that may share insights about owning and operating some of the
> qualifiying aircraft. I belong to two Piper groups, who are a wealth
> of useful information about Piper Cherokees (I know I saved 1000's
> of dollars with ideas from those groups). I'd like to find a place
> where I could get some of that informal input about LSA. What's a
> Luscombe like to own? Likely troublespots? That kind of thing.
>
> I will continue to look.
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> Joe Moore
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Richard Williams <rkwill@lewiscounty.com
> > wrote:
>
>
> Joe,
>
> After reading your post, I'm a bit confused, What exactly are you
> asking?
>
> To avoid all the medical issues, you will need to fly as a sport
> pilot, with the
> attendant restrictions, like no night flight.
>
> I do not know if the planes you mentioned meet the restrictions for
> LSA
> aircraft. If they do, then you can fly one of them. If they do not,
> then you
> will have to look at some different planes.
>
> R. Williams
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Cathy and Joe" <peppypilot@gmail.com >
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:16:51 -0000
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Standard category LSA
>
> > Geetings all!
> >
> > I am a brand new member and hope I am in the right place.
> >
> > I have been an intrument rated private pilot SEL for 28 years and
> > former owner of a Cherokee 140. I am thinking of jumping back into
> > ownership, but at my age, would prefer a LSA to avoid the medical
> > bureaucray of the FAA should a medical condition develop. Most of my
> > flying nowadays is day vfr with my wife or a buddy anyway, so not
> much
> > to be lost.
> >
> > Legacy aircraft seem to include Luscomb, Ercoupe, Aeronca,
> Taylorcraft
> > and Piper Cubs.
> >
> > I am hoping this group has some experience with these aircraft and/
> or
> > can point me in the right direction.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>
>
>
>- 2.6.
Re: "we're not happy until you're not happy"
Posted by: "Lloyd Smith" lesmith240@gmail.com lesmith218
Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:07 am (PST)
I asked an LSA vendor at OSH about 3 years ago why the FAA set the gross wt.
at 1320 lbs. His reply, "To create a market".
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:04 AM, <peppypilot@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> ...as they say, is the motto in play here.
>
> This whole issue could have been made much simpler and just as effectve in
> my mind if the medical issue were defined along the lines you suggest.
>
> I can drive a 20 ton motorhome, towing a car, at high speed and in dense
> traffic - no medical required. But cannot fly a 2000# airplane in big skies
> without a medical.
>
> Also, they could have easily been more inclusive of 2 place airplanes:
> including the Cessnas 120,140,150 & 152 would have really made this sweet -
> and what of the 100-300 pond difference?
>
> Bah!
>
> Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
> from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
--
*No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced*- 2.7.
Re: "we're not happy until you're not happy"
Posted by: "Helen Woods" Helen_Woods@verizon.net hwoods4421
Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:10 am (PST)
I think the original proposed was 1250 to mirror the European number but
their was enough lobbying that it got raised.
Helen
On 11/28/2010 10:07 AM, Lloyd Smith wrote:
>
>
> I asked an LSA vendor at OSH about 3 years ago why the FAA set the
> gross wt. at 1320 lbs. His reply, "To create a market".
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:04 AM, <peppypilot@gmail.com
> <mailto:peppypilot@gmail.com >> wrote:
>
>
>
> ...as they say, is the motto in play here.
>
> This whole issue could have been made much simpler and just as
> effectve in my mind if the medical issue were defined along the
> lines you suggest.
>
> I can drive a 20 ton motorhome, towing a car, at high speed and in
> dense traffic - no medical required. But cannot fly a 2000#
> airplane in big skies without a medical.
>
> Also, they could have easily been more inclusive of 2 place
> airplanes: including the Cessnas 120,140,150 & 152 would have
> really made this sweet - and what of the 100-300 pond difference?
>
> Bah!
>
> Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
> from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large
> number of
> electrons were terribly inconvenienced*
>
>
>- 2.8.
Re: "double medical"
Posted by: "John Weber" Ransfly@aol.com ransfly12wj
Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:47 am (PST)
Just one point to bear in mind about the "legacy" planes is that many of them will need to be hand propped. Don't know if you have considered any of the experimental-amateur built/ELSA type aircraft.(LOVE my Rans S-6S). Just my two cents. John Weber
On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:48 AM, peppypilot@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Excellent idea and I have actually done this last medical.
>
> At this point, I have no disqualifying issues.
>
> But, with advancing age....if I am going to buy another plane, and most of my flying is local, day, vfr - and I already have a tailwheel endorsement - maybe lsa is for me. As long as I keep my medical I could rent a faster, larger plane as needed.
>
> Thanks again for the info -
>
> Joe
>
> Sent with Thanksgiving greetings
> from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:48 AM, "jimmyg51147" <james-galvin@sbcglobal. > wrote:net
>
>>
>>
>> Joe:
>> There is a simple and easy way around this. If you have doubts, tell the AME you want to go through a "Pre-Medical" exam. Have him do everything he would do during a medical except the paperwork. I have asked FAA officials about this and they say there is nothing wrong with having this done. One even laughed when I asked if it would be OK with the doctor. He said "They are in business to make money. Aren't they!"
>> Jimmy
>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. , Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@com ...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Be careful about the medical. If ever denied a medical, it exempts you from
>> > the LSP program.
>> >
>>
>
>- 2.9.
Re: Standard category LSA
Posted by: "Couleeone@aol.com" Couleeone@aol.com couleeone
Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:07 pm (PST)
Hey Joe, not only are the classic planes that qualify LSA but there is now
over a 100 new manufactured SLSA and ELSA's out there to choice from to fit
your life style. I fly a sport cub built by cubcrafters
_www.cubcrafters.com_ (http://www.cubcraft ers.com ) a new version of the old cub. I love
that kind of flying and that is my niche.
Good luck and have fun! Its all good!
Geo
_www.couleeairservices.com_ (http://www.couleeai rservices. )com - 2.10.
Re: Standard category LSA
Posted by: "palmettoe@aol.com" palmettoe@aol.com palmettoe
Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:27 pm (PST)
Hey Joe, There is also a low end SLSA and ELSA made by X-Air, The H model.
There are only two new ones left in the ELSA category and I have them both
if interested. Please email me @ _info@usxair.com _ (mailto:info@usxair.com )
off group if interested. Good luck, John M.
In a message dated 11/28/2010 6:08:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Couleeone@aol.com writes:
Hey Joe, not only are the classic planes that qualify LSA but there is now
over a 100 new manufactured SLSA and ELSA's out there to choice from to
fit your life style. I fly a sport cub built by cubcrafters
_www.cubcrafters.com_ (http://www.cubcraft ers.com/ ) a new version of the old cub. I love
that kind of flying and that is my niche.
Good luck and have fun! Its all good!
Geo
_www.couleeairservices.com_ (http://www.couleeai rservices. )com/ - 2.11.
Re: Standard category LSA
Posted by: "palmettoe@aol.com" palmettoe@aol.com palmettoe
Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:34 pm (PST)
Sorry Joe, that email address is _info@carolinaus.com _
(mailto:info@carolinaus.com ) , John
In a message dated 11/28/2010 6:27:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
palmettoe@aol.com writes:
Hey Joe, There is also a low end SLSA and ELSA made by X-Air, The H model.
There are only two new ones left in the ELSA category and I have them both
if interested. Please email me @ _info@usxair.com _ (mailto:info@usxair.com )
off group if interested. Good luck, John M.
In a message dated 11/28/2010 6:08:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Couleeone@aol.com writes:
Hey Joe, not only are the classic planes that qualify LSA but there is now
over a 100 new manufactured SLSA and ELSA's out there to choice from to
fit your life style. I fly a sport cub built by cubcrafters
_www.cubcrafters.com_ (http://www.cubcraft ers.com/ ) a new version of the old cub. I love
that kind of flying and that is my niche.
Good luck and have fun! Its all good!
Geo
_www.couleeairservices.com_ (http://www.couleeai rservices. )com/ - 2.12.
Re: Standard category LSA
Posted by: "Greg" deafhawk_2000@yahoo.com deafhawk_2000
Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:36 pm (PST)
Joe, I have been where you are and where you may be going. 10 years ago there were 5 people killed at and near my home airport SRQ doing exactly what the controllers told them to do. I was cleared onto the runway in front of short final traffic twice in the same day at two different towered airports not SRQ. I decided that since the ATC system had deteriorated so much, it would be better to fly ultralights. But I am "old school" and can't get comfortable flying powered lawn furniture. I sold my 172 about the same time LSA rules were established and sat out for 5 years. Now I'm back in, spent 4 months and $4,000 jumping through hoops getting test that did not improve my health at all and only allowed OKC to CYA. The 3rd comment in this article is typical of many pilots today http://www2.highlandstoday. There is a generation of pilots or 2 that have become dependant on radio communications and do not look for traffic unless advised to. The solution I have found is seaplanes. It is more fun and NORDO is normal for seaplane operations and there aren't any control towers. Seaplane pilots look for traffic, know the rules of way (a seaplane is a vessel when it is on the water and must abide by the same rules which BTW apply in the air also but not many people know that)and ae very precise flyers because if you aren't a seaplane will tell you instanly that you are screwing up by slowing down. Something to think about - look at SeaRey.com/content/ 2010/jan/ 23/la-deafness- doesnt-stop- pilots-from- flying/news/ Need to Reply?Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest.
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