I have a good friend who recently became a cop. This young man is one of the
most straight-forward honest people that I have ever had the pleasure of
knowing. I pray frequently that he comes home safe after a night out
"protecting and serving" the public.
When some blowhards that can't find solutions to thier own self-made
problems starts bashing cops or soldiers I have to comment. (not that THAT
happened HERE of course!).
Thanks for your service Jerrytex
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerryetex" <jerry230@tconline.net>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:28 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves Kings
issue - AOPA
>I never post on this site. I mostly just read between the ridiculous
>comments searching for the smallest amount of information related to LSA.
>This topic and the comments associated have really hit a nerve with me and
>I have to put my 2 cents in and then I am done with this group. Unless you
>have ever been a cop, you should shut your pie hole. No one can understand
>what the cops go through unless you have walked in their shoes. Someone
>commented about being scared and trigger happy. You're damn right cops can
>be scared and trigger happy. It's the nature of the business when you are
>dealing with low life people that are waiting for the right time to try and
>hurt you when you let your guard down. Cops NEVER...NEVER, know where the
>next threat is coming from. Whether it's sitting in a coffee shop or
>performing a high risk stop on an airplane they just don't know when some
>crazy idiot is going to try and hurt them. As far as "verifying" the
>information....please! Do you think most street cops know how to do a N
>number inquiry? In addition, if the National Crime Computer (NCIC) has a
>vehicle listed as stolen, that in itself is "verified" information and that
>is probable cause to make the stop and investigate, which is what they did.
>This was treated like any other high risk stop made on a stolen car, truck,
>boat or airplane and detaining (not arresting like one of the morons on
>this site posted)the individuals in the vehicle while investigating. This
>happens everyday all across the country and high risk stops are done to
>protect the cops and the suspects, and this one only made the news because
>it was an airplane. Should this have been fixed years ago and taken out of
>NCIC. Yes. Does that change the fact on how the police handled this. Hell
>no. So for all you cop bashers, how would you want the police to handle
>your stolen airplane. Take the stance of, "well it's probably not really
>stolen and most likely a clerical error, so I'll just let it go. I sure
>don't want to seem a big bully by handcuffing someone"; or pull the suspect
>out of your plane, detain (not arrest) them and investigate. Anyone who
>thinks that they can do something beneficial such as writing a program that
>will keep this from happening again, then go for it. Be part of the
>solution instead of bitching about how the cops do their job and threating
>to sue everyone at the drop of a hat. If you feel like you can do better,
>call your local police recruiter and sign up. Most police departments would
>love to have the knowledge base that alot of people on this site have
>proclaimed. Yes I am a cop in case you haven't figured it out yet. I'm
>going flying now. Peace out.
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyg51147" <james-galvin@...>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Your logic is flawed in so many ways that I don't have time to detail all
>> of them. Here are some:
>> 1) "It is not their job to verify information given to them from a
>> federal agency." It IS their job. And sooner or later it has to be done.
>> Here they chose to verify it after committing all the resources detailed
>> in the report and detaining the Kings. Had they done the verification
>> prior to starting out the police could have spent the time eating their
>> favorite doughnuts.
>>
>> 2)"The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies and possibly Cessna who
>> knew this N number had a problem and should have made sure it had been
>> changed." You expect Cessna or for that matter you or I to check EVERY
>> data base (past, present, and particularly the obsolete ones) to make
>> sure the N-number we are using is free and clear in each database. Please
>> explain how we are to accomplish is task and rectify any discrepancies.
>> 3) "I think that the FAA also should not reissue numbers from a stolen
>> aircraft in such a short period of time or maybe never reissue them so
>> something like this could not happen again." I don't even know where to
>> start with this one!
>> 4) "They acted they way they have been trained and the department
>> policy." And you thought this was appropriate. This was hilarious.
>> KEYSTONE COPS comes to mind. I got a kick out of them asking John King
>> where the VIN number was located on the plane.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, medicbill@ wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I believe the police acted appropriately based upon the information
>> > they recieved. It is not their job to verify information given to them
>> > from a federal agency. The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies
>> > and possibly Cessna who knew this N number had a problem and should
>> > have made sure it had been changed. Especially since it had happened
>> > before. Has this plane flown since the last time it I think that the
>> > FAA also should not reissue numbers from a stolen aircraft in such a
>> > short period of time or maybe never reissue them so something like this
>> > could not happen again.
>> >
>> > If it had not involved a high profile couple it would not even been
>> > found on the back page of the arts section. The police were given a
>> > report of a stolen aircraft from a government agency. The police have
>> > to depend on the reliability of that report and act upon it
>> > appropriately. Which is exactly what they did. In todays world after
>> > 911 how can they act any other way.
>> >
>> > As far as how they handled the situation after the Kings landing to the
>> > police they were conducting a felony stop. No different then they would
>> > if it was a stolen vehicle. They had no idea who was in that plane.
>> > They acted they way they have been trained and the department policy.
>> > To do it any other way is how police officers end up dead.
>> >
>> > The fault lays with the FAA and the government agencies who handle the
>> > registrations and the databases that the information comes from not the
>> > police who are doing their jobs. The Kings were only detained and not
>> > arrested. Once the info was cleared up they were released. Can it be
>> > stressful? Yes. I met the Kings at Oshkosh and even though they may be
>> > getting up in years they both appeared to me to be tough people and I
>> > am sure they handled it very well. Obviously they figured out a
>> > training angle from the situation just like you would expect they
>> > would.
>>
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