No one is bashing cops. The big complaint is the poor data base and the lack of real information provided by whom ever. Why should anyone be placed in a situation with drawn guns and handcuffs when it is the second time for this particular plane in the last 2 years? First time is somewhat excusable but there isn’t any excuse for the second time around to be reported stolen.
The original plane was a 1958 Cessna 150. The plane reported wasn’t even built until 2008 and it is a 4 place and not a two place. This kind of mis-information makes the police look inept and places innocent people in harms way.
From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jerryetex
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:29 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves Kings issue - AOPA
I never post on this site. I mostly just read between the ridiculous comments searching for the smallest amount of information related to LSA. This topic and the comments associated have really hit a nerve with me and I have to put my 2 cents in and then I am done with this group. Unless you have ever been a cop, you should shut your pie hole. No one can understand what the cops go through unless you have walked in their shoes. Someone commented about being scared and trigger happy. You're damn right cops can be scared and trigger happy. It's the nature of the business when you are dealing with low life people that are waiting for the right time to try and hurt you when you let your guard down. Cops NEVER...NEVER, know where the next threat is coming from. Whether it's sitting in a coffee shop or performing a high risk stop on an airplane they just don't know when some crazy idiot is going to try and hurt them. As far as "verifying" the information....please! Do you think most street cops know how to do a N number inquiry? In addition, if the National Crime Computer (NCIC) has a vehicle listed as stolen, that in itself is "verified" information and that is probable cause to make the stop and investigate, which is what they did. This was treated like any other high risk stop made on a stolen car, truck, boat or airplane and detaining (not arresting like one of the morons on this site posted)the individuals in the vehicle while investigating. This happens everyday all across the country and high risk stops are done to protect the cops and the suspects, and this one only made the news because it was an airplane. Should this have been fixed years ago and taken out of NCIC. Yes. Does that change the fact on how the police handled this. Hell no. So for all you cop bashers, how would you want the police to handle your stolen airplane. Take the stance of, "well it's probably not really stolen and most likely a clerical error, so I'll just let it go. I sure don't want to seem a big bully by handcuffing someone"; or pull the suspect out of your plane, detain (not arrest) them and investigate. Anyone who thinks that they can do something beneficial such as writing a program that will keep this from happening again, then go for it. Be part of the solution instead of bitching about how the cops do their job and threating to sue everyone at the drop of a hat. If you feel like you can do better, call your local police recruiter and sign up. Most police departments would love to have the knowledge base that alot of people on this site have proclaimed. Yes I am a cop in case you haven't figured it out yet. I'm going flying now. Peace out.
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyg51147" <james-galvin@...> wrote:
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> Your logic is flawed in so many ways that I don't have time to detail all of them. Here are some:
> 1) "It is not their job to verify information given to them from a federal agency." It IS their job. And sooner or later it has to be done. Here they chose to verify it after committing all the resources detailed in the report and detaining the Kings. Had they done the verification prior to starting out the police could have spent the time eating their favorite doughnuts.
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> 2)"The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies and possibly Cessna who knew this N number had a problem and should have made sure it had been changed." You expect Cessna or for that matter you or I to check EVERY data base (past, present, and particularly the obsolete ones) to make sure the N-number we are using is free and clear in each database. Please explain how we are to accomplish is task and rectify any discrepancies.
> 3) "I think that the FAA also should not reissue numbers from a stolen aircraft in such a short period of time or maybe never reissue them so something like this could not happen again." I don't even know where to start with this one!
> 4) "They acted they way they have been trained and the department policy." And you thought this was appropriate. This was hilarious. KEYSTONE COPS comes to mind. I got a kick out of them asking John King where the VIN number was located on the plane.
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> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, medicbill@ wrote:
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> > I believe the police acted appropriately based upon the information they recieved. It is not their job to verify information given to them from a federal agency. The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies and possibly Cessna who knew this N number had a problem and should have made sure it had been changed. Especially since it had happened before. Has this plane flown since the last time it I think that the FAA also should not reissue numbers from a stolen aircraft in such a short period of time or maybe never reissue them so something like this could not happen again.
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> > If it had not involved a high profile couple it would not even been found on the back page of the arts section. The police were given a report of a stolen aircraft from a government agency. The police have to depend on the reliability of that report and act upon it appropriately. Which is exactly what they did. In todays world after 911 how can they act any other way.
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> > As far as how they handled the situation after the Kings landing to the police they were conducting a felony stop. No different then they would if it was a stolen vehicle. They had no idea who was in that plane. They acted they way they have been trained and the department policy. To do it any other way is how police officers end up dead.
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> > The fault lays with the FAA and the government agencies who handle the registrations and the databases that the information comes from not the police who are doing their jobs. The Kings were only detained and not arrested. Once the info was cleared up they were released. Can it be stressful? Yes. I met the Kings at Oshkosh and even though they may be getting up in years they both appeared to me to be tough people and I am sure they handled it very well. Obviously they figured out a training angle from the situation just like you would expect they would.
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