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On 5/29/2011 8:42 PM, UltraJohn wrote:
> But he is ignoring one important thing. Most of those UL pilots were
> illegal...
> John
>
>
> On Sunday 29 May 2011 08:04:13 pm Gary N Orpe wrote:
>
>> You are spot on in your analysis. And the regular FBOS and instructors
>> could care less. Trikes seem to be the exception.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Alex"<acensor@fastmail.fm>
>> To:<Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: sport pilot training in
>> challenger or quicksilver Date: Sun, May 29, 2011 7:11 am
>> There's a sport pilot training school is California still doing sport pilot
>> training in ELSA Challengers.
>>
>> The CFI wrote this to me months ago:
>>
>> "Thanks for inquiring into flight training with me at my flight school. As
>> you may know, the FAA phased out training in experimental aircraft, unless
>> it's the owner's aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I charge $125/hr. for a one-hour lesson, but the plane flying is free.
>> That way, the FAA can't say I'm charging for the use of my plane. "
>>
>>
>>
>> I think he may be on very gray ground but for now he's doing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Write me for contact info.
>>
>>
>>
>> GENERALLY unless you are near one of the few FBOs that have a newer
>> expensive SLSA for training/rental use the door to sport pilot training is
>> hard to find unless you own your own ELSA or amature built LSA and can
>> find a CFI that's comfortable using it as a trainer.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's surely part of the reason there are so very few people coming
>> into aviation via the sport pilot route. It has in my opinion prettty much
>> been a failure if its purpose was to open the door to flying to more
>> wannabe pilots. There are only about 4000 people who have come into flying
>> by getting a sport pilot license. According to one of the sport pilot
>> specialist advisors at EAA as many as 2000 are former previously
>> experienced ultralight pilots who were able to get their UL hours and
>> experience grandfarthered in and creditied toward getting sport pilot
>> certified.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand if the sport pilot rule was intended (as some suggest)
>> to put a damper on UL flying it has succeeded wonderfully. It is
>> impossible for someone to go out today and buy or build a part 103 UL and
>> get any low cost training... as it used to be possible There are no more
>> two seat ultralight trainers, no more BFI's (basic flight instructors). It
>> is also very very difficult, even at the much higher standard CFI training
>> rates, to get _any_ training suitable to get a complete newbie set up to
>> strap into a single seat part 103 UL and takeoff. Statistics are as far as
>> I know difficult to get, but it is certain that since the sport pilot rule
>> killed two seat UL trainers and BFI's off there are practically no new
>> pilots coming into flying via the UL route and after the current
>> generation of remaining UL pilots die off, retire from flying UL flying
>> will be a tiny fraction of what it was pre 2004.
>>
>> So, whether putting a damper on UL was intended or an unintended
>> consequence of the sport pilot rules, having closed the door to UL on net
>> the sport pilot certification as likely reduced the flow of folks into
>> aviation in the USA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
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