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Here are some others including into the water fatal crashes of GA airplanes right around here in Tampa, FL.

http://suncoastpasco.tbo.com/content/2009/jul/09/091735/search-planes-passengers-continues-gulf/

Another midair killing 3 in March 2010 in Florida
http://avstop.com/news_march_2010/two_aircraft_collide_killing_both_pilots_in_levy_county.htm

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles/destin-35175-disappears-landing.htm l

A week or so ago a trike pilot in North Carolina found a bullet hole through his wing that he didn't even know he had after a flight. Like I said pilots and people do some weird things.
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--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Helen,
> Watch this please:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk>
>
> Mid air collision in light single engine aircraft about 30 days or so
> ago in Virginia with two killed:
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2Q\
> I20101231
> <Helen,%20Watch%20this%20please:%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKax\
> p6Rlk%20%20Mid%20air%20collision%20about%2030%20days%20or%20so%20ago%20i\
> n%20Virginia:%20http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-cr\
> ash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231>
>
> Mid air between an F-16 and a Cessna near Bradenton, FL
> http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php/310-Midair-collision
> <http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php/310-Midair-collision>
>
> Mid air near Co in Feb 2010
> http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/02/08/daily2.html
> <http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/02/08/daily2.html>
>
> etc. etc.
>
> Abid
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica"
> apollonorthamerica@ wrote:
> >
> > Helen,
> > There have been two midair in Tampa Bay region alone in the last 5
> years. The weakest link is still the pilot and pilots do some stuff that
> defies gravity (literally).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods Helen_Woods@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Engine failure = glide straight ahead and land in a field or in the
> water
> > > Prop failure = kill the ignitions (Rotax does not windmill), glide
> > > straight ahead and land in a field or in the water
> > > IMC = Execute 180 degree turn
> > > Bird strike so sever as to cause the plane to crash or disabled
> pilot =
> > > remote possibility I would put in the same category of risk midair
> or
> > > wings falling off
> > >
> > > A much more realistic risk is a gear down water landing causing the
> > > plane to flip and sink.
> > >
> > > These are just my opinions. Take them or leave them.
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > On 1/31/2011 8:51 PM, medicbill@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What about an engine failure, prop failure at altitude? Or those
> who
> > > > fly into IMC and are not instrument rated and become disoriented?
> Or
> > > > how about bird strikes or disabled pilot?
> > > > Bill
> > > > In a message dated 1/31/2011 5:43:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > Helen_Woods@ writes:
> > > >
> > > > I will concede the remote possibility that if a wing fell off
> or a
> > > > midair collision occurred bellow 1000' that the pilot may have
> > > > presence
> > > > of mind to quickly enough recognize his situation and deploy
> the
> > > > chute
> > > > before landing in the water but I still say it is impractical.
> Most
> > > > seaplane pilots are flying below 1000' over water. The
> chances of
> > > > a mid
> > > > air at that altitude are remote and the chances of a factory
> built
> > > > plane
> > > > suddenly having the wings fall off (Zodiac excepted) are even
> more
> > > > remote. Why would one total the airframe's structural
> integrity and
> > > > risk landing in an unusual attitude from a chute deployment
> both of
> > > > which increase the chances of sinking, rather than just
> landing
> > > > straight
> > > > ahead in the water?
> > > >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > > On 1/31/2011 8:34 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> > > > > Below 1000 feet BRS is useless??
> > > > > Where, how, who do you come up with that. Generally speaking
> a
> > > > BRS may open in as little as 300 feet. In fact I know of a sea
> > > > trike going down due to a bad wing sail repair after a
> previous
> > > > under water encounter and on this second one they opened their
> BRS
> > > > at around 500 feet and survived though hurt. According to them
> if
> > > > I remember the BRS opened just enough to make the water impact
> softer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abid
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Helen Wrote:
> > > > > SeaReys have a sliding canopy and Aventuras are open or have
> > > > pop-open windows. Interestingly enough, just about every
> SeaRey
> > > > pilot I know has sunk their plane at least once with a gear
> down
> > > > water landing and swum away. By contrast, I looked at a
> Gannet a
> > > > few years back at OSH. The salesman gear downed it and
> drowned a
> > > > few months after I spoke with him. I'm not flying it unless I
> have
> > > > a way to escape.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the BRS, most seaplane flying is done below 1000'
> where a
> > > > BRS isn't going to be of any use and there's plenty of runway
> all
> > > > about.
> > > > >
> > > > > Helen
> > > > >
> > > > >
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