There are reasons why everyone sees things differently.
An example:
A person is driving down a state highway at 40 mph. The speed limit is 45. He is thinking what a wonderful drive no traffic in sight. Another person is 300 feet behind in the 10th car backed up behind the front driver thinking how bad traffic is. Same time, same place, and seeing things 180 degrees apart.
Abid wants to sell trikes. Trikes generally don't fly IFR. Trikes are LSAs. Why the need for IFR in LSAs? He is just being closed minded to IFR because he doesn't need it and it doesn't fit into his scheme of things.
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Herb Kushner" <herbkushner@...> wrote:
>
> Abid, You are absolutely correct but you and I put the blame in different places.
>
> For Example. My friend, who is in his early 70's has been flying around in his Piper Colt for 40+ years. He may even have been the original owner (I don't know). I do know that he's been flying both VFR and IFR and is accomplished (and current) in both. Last year he sold his beloved Colt and bought an LSA. I can't remember off hand if it was a Flight Design CT, or a Sport Cruiser; but it is IFR legal, and deliberately so. He flies back and forth between New Jersey and Wisconsin 4 times a year (sometimes more ) and the trip in the Colt became longer and longer as he got older and older. He is well aware that sooner or later something will come up that will cause him to stop seeing the AME and by buying an IFR equipped LSA now he is putting himself in a good position when that happens (or sooner if he chooses). He now makes the trip much faster and much more comfortably than with the Colt. He is a very capable and cautious pilot, WITH A MEDICAL CERTIFICATE, and I don't see a darn thing wrong with him flying his airplane IFR.
>
> Will there be abuses? Of course. The vast majority of us (me included) abused part 103 untill..... well, I won't restate the obvious (again). How about the dummy (ex navy pilot.. cheesh, those guys are the BEST, and he still fouled up)who just flew his small plane over JFK, thinking it was Republic? The tradgedies will happen because we pilots will make mistakes, not because of the rules. The rules actually give us more freedom (thankfully) than we might deserve considering.....
>
> The FAA did what they did for TWO reasons.
> FIRST: As I mentioned earlier, they were literally SOLD on the safety idea of having more pilots trained, and re-trained with flight reviews required, as well as aircraft previously unregistered now needing condition inspections, etc.
> SECOND: They wanted to conform (if they could do it painlessly) more closely with the ICAO requirements as they are being adopted around the world.
>
> Herb K
>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Abid Farooqui" <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb,
> > IFR filed in VFR is easy but I hope you understand that at least I was talking about flying in real IMC and my concern was related to IFR rated pilots who are now SP and not current trying their luck at flying their LSA into IMC. Its just a matter of time before we see some tragedies that happen due to that and the conclusions won't be reasonable causing nightmares for dealers and manufacturers.
> >
> > I was told by someone and I don't exactly remember who that FAA in fact was mandated by Congress to accept industry consensus standards through some act that was passed in the 1990's and thus ASTM standards were accepted. I didn't do any checking on that or have ever asked anyone about it because its pointless at this point to think about "why" FAA did what they did. All that really matters at all is what "is".
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Herb Kushner" <herbkushner@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The one point no one's brought out is that the intention of the FAA in creating the Light Sport Category had nothing to do with making flying fun, or less epensive, or to bring more people into flying. They could not have cared less about any of that. The alphabets (EAA and AOPA, etc.) sold the FAA on the idea by harping on the safety issue of bringing (legal and/or illegal) pilots under their (the faa) control. PERIOD. The FAA had no other intention what-so-ever. All the rest is just gravy.
> > > (I know I've mentioned that before, but people seem to forget it)
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been following this thread reading about how much fun this is supposed to be and how it's not time yet and how LSA is supposed to be more affordable, but the bottom line is that "Uncle Fred" doesn't care. He crafted his new rule VERY carefully to establish a standard of training for those who are willing to comply with (VERY CAREFULLY scripted) limits; INCLUDING THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO STEP DOWN to those limits. The fact that so many Private or Commercial Pilots are now (and like it or not it will continue)flying under the Light Sport Rule is no accident, and it certainly is no loop-hole. It was designed to happen that way! It keeps these guys from flying (unsafely)in conditions where they no longer belong. Plus, the FAA re-established Part 103, and drew a hard line "in the sand" while warning us not to cross it (again). (That was a BIG issue with them.) This and this alone was how the FAA was sold on the idea (I used those words deliberately)
> > >
> > > Certification standards (FAR's) set the requirements for flying in IMC and the FAA doesn't care what you're flying in as long as you are (in their opinion) properly equipped, and properly rated. If your LSA qualifies and you do , too, good for you. 'Same for your Bonanza, if you are fortunate enough to have one. If your balloon is so equipped and you have the rating, go for it!! (I admit.. that would be an interesting flight plan, but I'm sure it's been done-- Fawcett's around the workd balloon flight; wasn't that up in the flight levels????). Jim is absolutley correct. Not everybody flies only for fun and the Rule is worded to allow flying for fun but also, and maybe more important, it does NOT specifically exclude flying for transportation (read IFR). Is that unsafe? Nope. Not so long as you meet the requirements as outlined in the FARs, and are proficient and current in both equipment and skills.
> > >
> > > One last point (finally) and then I'll shut up (for now). Many pilots without instrument ratings don't realize how much easier it is to fly under Instrument Rules as opposed to Visual Rules (although not necessarily under Instrument CONDITIONS). You file, you copy your clearance, and you simply do as you're told. ATC provides you with navigation help, weather info, traffic advisories..... they do all the work and you just monitor systems and make sure you are flying safetly and accurately..... they even tell you when it's time to descend, and you don't give even a fleeting thought to airspace restrictions. It's a WHOLE LOT EASIER than going VFR unless you are just "didley boppin' around the neighborhood.
> > >
> > > Sorry to be so wordy (I can't help it) but thanks to all for a VERY interesting thread. I've enjoyed reading it and look forward (I hope) to continued discussion.
> > > Herb K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Bair" <JimBair@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I totally get your philosophy. But I totally get other people's philosophies, too. Go to Oshkosh. You see airplanes designed to do damn near everything imaginable. People have different needs and design planes to fit those needs. Just because your needs don't need instruments doesn't mean everyone's doesn't. I fly for fun, too, but to be honest, having the ability to file IFR to escape some morning fog and go somewhere nice has been handy a couple of times. But mostly, if I fly through a cloud, I'm getting paid to do it, so I understand what you're saying.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: skyponyorg
> > > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: IFR LSA's
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've been a Sport Pilot for 2 years and I guess I must be old-fashioned or just old! Why would anybody want to fly in the fog (IFR)? I fly to explore and see things. It wouldn't make sense to me to fly when I couldn't see anything. If the weather is bad, I wait until it gets good. I fly for sport!
> > > >
> > >
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