Helen
Jim Bair wrote:
>
>
> Hi Helen,
> I got the answer. Registry was completely stumped. The examiner I
> talked to there disappeared off the phone for awhile while they
> conferred in the office and then gave up. haha This was a new one
> for them. I got a call back from my POI in the Light Sport Office and
> he said they had determined that the way it would be handled was for
> the applicant to submit 2 8710s when going for a Commercial or a
> Private ASEL if there was WSC or PP LSA time involved. A normal
> 8710-1 for the GA time and an 8710-11 for the LS time. He said the
> attempt to merge the 2 8710's has run into difficulty simply because
> the physical limitation of the size of a sheet of paper. So, the fix
> for the time being is submit both when a person has a mix of flight
> time involving cat/classes not currently supported by the -1.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
> *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
> Private in a LSA
>
>
>
> Just got off the phone with our DPE. He suggests calling the FAA
> Registry since they process the 8710s and asking them how to
> handle the
> lack of blanks. Their number is 866-878-2498.
>
> Helen
>
> Jim Bair wrote:
> >
> >
> > I read it just like you do, but the problem is there is no place on
> > the 8710-1 to put the WSC/PP time. I used my self as a test case a
> > few years ago and tried to entire the WSC time and we couldn't
> do it.
> > So, we gave up and just blew off my WSC time with the intention of
> > investigating it later. Easy to put that stuff off and so now
> I'm on
> > it again as I have a couple of kids trying to enter it into the
> system
> > and in the future there will be more.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
> <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
> > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:23 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
> > Private in a LSA
> >
> >
> >
> > You are correct. If he was going for a commercial airplane
> > certificate
> > he could count 200 hours of his trike/PPC time but the other 50
> would
> > need to be in an airplane. Several of the other requirements require
> > time in a "single engine airplane." For those requirements it
> > would not
> > only need to be the same category (airplane) but the same class
> > (single
> > engine). Since he's looking a helicopter rating, let's look at the
> > applicable regs for that:
> >
> > (c) /For a helicopter rating. /Except as provided in paragraph
> (i) of
> > this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot
> certificate
> > with a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must log at
> > least
> > 150 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
> > (1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in
> > helicopters.
> > (2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at
> > least—
> > (i) 35 hours in helicopters; and
> > (ii) 10 hours in cross-country flight in helicopters.
> > (3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
> > §61.127(b)(3) of this part that includes at least—
> > (i) 10 hours of instrument training in an aircraft;
> > (ii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a helicopter
> > in day
> > VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more
> > than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
> > (iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a
> helicopter in
> > night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line
> distance of
> > more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of
> departure; and
> > (iv) 3 hours in a helicopter in preparation for the practical test
> > within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
> >
> > In this case he needs 50 hours of helo time but the other 100 hours
> > could be in a trike or PPC.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Jim Bair wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, I'm still confused. Based on what you have posted here, why
> > is it
> > > limited to category and class? I see nothing that says, "LSA
> > time can
> > > be counted as long as it's in the same cat/class". I spent part of
> > > the day reading over that very subpart and called FSDO as well.
> > They
> > > are also researching it. No one there knew the answer. My real
> > > question is whether trike and powered parachute time count. As the
> > > reg is written, it only specifies 100 hours in powered aircraft,
> > 50 of
> > > which must be in airplanes. That means 150 could be in gliders, or
> > > balloons, or 200 could be in trikes, etc. Make up your own mix.
> > > However, the 8710-1 has no area to put WSC or PP time. Is this a
> > > failure to revise the 8710-1 or does it mean they can't be
> counted?
> > > That's my question and precisely the reason I questioned you as to
> > > your source. If it has been decided, I would like to know. At some
> > > point, this will affect someone. My oldest son is ready for his
> > Comm
> > > Helo checkride. He has enough time without the WSC time, but
> > what if
> > > he didn't? Would it count? I would like to see the 8710-1
> > changed to
> > > reflect the new cat/classes.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
> <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>
> > <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
> > > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
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> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:16 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
> > > Private in a LSA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
> > > PART 61—CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND
> > > INSTRUCTORS
> > > Subpart F—Commercial Pilots
> > >
> > > Browse Previous | Browse Next
> > > § 61.129 Aeronautical experience.
> > >
> > > Link to an amendment published at 74 FR 42558, Aug. 21, 2009.
> > >
> > > (a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in
> > > paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a
> commercial
> > > pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine
> class
> > > rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that
> > > consists of at least:
> > >
> > > (1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in
> > > airplanes.
> > >
> > > (2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at
> > > least—
> > >
> > > (i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
> > >
> > > (ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours
> > > must be
> > > in airplanes.
> > >
> > > (3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
> > > §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—
> > >
> > > (i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must
> > > be in
> > > a single-engine airplane;
> > >
> > > (ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable
> > > landing
> > > gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is
> > > turbine-powered,
> > > or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10
> > > hours of
> > > training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch
> > > propeller;
> > >
> > > (iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a
> > single-engine
> > > airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total
> straight-line
> > > distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original
> point of
> > > departure;
> > >
> > > (iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a
> single-engine
> > > airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total
> > straight-line
> > > distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original
> point of
> > > departure; and
> > >
> > > (v) 3 hours in a single-engine airplane in preparation for the
> > > practical
> > > test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
> > >
> > > (4) 10 hours of solo flight in a single-engine airplane on the
> > > areas of
> > > operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part, which includes at
> > > least—
> > >
> > > (i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles
> > > total
> > > distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which
> > > is a
> > > straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the
> > > original
> > > departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in
> > Hawaii,
> > > the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at
> > > least
> > > 150 nautical miles; and
> > >
> > > (ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10
> > landings
> > > (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern)
> at an
> > > airport with an operating control tower.
> > >
> > > Jim Bair wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you mean Part 61, and then can you be more specific as
> > > to what
> > > > part of Subpart F?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Part 91, subpart F.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Helen,
> > > > I've been looking for that info. Where did you find it?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
> <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>
> > <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>
> > > <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
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> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 AM
> > > > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time
> > > > Building for Private in a LSA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As long as it's in the same category and class for which
> > > > you are seeking
> > > > the certificate.
> > > >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > > bigoldkahuna2000 wrote:
> > > > > Can nn LSA be used to build time for private pilots
> > > > working on their commercial license?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Patrick Mc
> > > > >
> > > > >
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