he could count 200 hours of his trike/PPC time but the other 50 would
need to be in an airplane. Several of the other requirements require
time in a "single engine airplane." For those requirements it would not
only need to be the same category (airplane) but the same class (single
engine). Since he's looking a helicopter rating, let's look at the
applicable regs for that:
(c) /For a helicopter rating. /Except as provided in paragraph (i) of
this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate
with a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must log at least
150 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in helicopters.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 35 hours in helicopters; and
(ii) 10 hours in cross-country flight in helicopters.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
§61.127(b)(3) of this part that includes at least—
(i) 10 hours of instrument training in an aircraft;
(ii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a helicopter in day
VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more
than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a helicopter in
night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of
more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(iv) 3 hours in a helicopter in preparation for the practical test
within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
In this case he needs 50 hours of helo time but the other 100 hours
could be in a trike or PPC.
Helen
Jim Bair wrote:
>
>
> OK, I'm still confused. Based on what you have posted here, why is it
> limited to category and class? I see nothing that says, "LSA time can
> be counted as long as it's in the same cat/class". I spent part of
> the day reading over that very subpart and called FSDO as well. They
> are also researching it. No one there knew the answer. My real
> question is whether trike and powered parachute time count. As the
> reg is written, it only specifies 100 hours in powered aircraft, 50 of
> which must be in airplanes. That means 150 could be in gliders, or
> balloons, or 200 could be in trikes, etc. Make up your own mix.
> However, the 8710-1 has no area to put WSC or PP time. Is this a
> failure to revise the 8710-1 or does it mean they can't be counted?
> That's my question and precisely the reason I questioned you as to
> your source. If it has been decided, I would like to know. At some
> point, this will affect someone. My oldest son is ready for his Comm
> Helo checkride. He has enough time without the WSC time, but what if
> he didn't? Would it count? I would like to see the 8710-1 changed to
> reflect the new cat/classes.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
> *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
> Private in a LSA
>
>
>
> Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
> PART 61—CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND
> INSTRUCTORS
> Subpart F—Commercial Pilots
>
> Browse Previous | Browse Next
> § 61.129 Aeronautical experience.
>
> Link to an amendment published at 74 FR 42558, Aug. 21, 2009.
>
> (a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in
> paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial
> pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class
> rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that
> consists of at least:
>
> (1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in
> airplanes.
>
> (2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at
> least—
>
> (i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
>
> (ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours
> must be
> in airplanes.
>
> (3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
> §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—
>
> (i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must
> be in
> a single-engine airplane;
>
> (ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable
> landing
> gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is
> turbine-powered,
> or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10
> hours of
> training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch
> propeller;
>
> (iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine
> airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line
> distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of
> departure;
>
> (iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine
> airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line
> distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of
> departure; and
>
> (v) 3 hours in a single-engine airplane in preparation for the
> practical
> test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
>
> (4) 10 hours of solo flight in a single-engine airplane on the
> areas of
> operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part, which includes at
> least—
>
> (i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles
> total
> distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which
> is a
> straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the
> original
> departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii,
> the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at
> least
> 150 nautical miles; and
>
> (ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings
> (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an
> airport with an operating control tower.
>
> Jim Bair wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think you mean Part 61, and then can you be more specific as
> to what
> > part of Subpart F?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Part 91, subpart F.
> >
> >
> >
> > Helen,
> > I've been looking for that info. Where did you find it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
> <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
> > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time
> > Building for Private in a LSA
> >
> >
> >
> > As long as it's in the same category and class for which
> > you are seeking
> > the certificate.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > bigoldkahuna2000 wrote:
> > > Can nn LSA be used to build time for private pilots
> > working on their commercial license?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Patrick Mc
> > >
> > >
> > >
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