Registry since they process the 8710s and asking them how to handle the
lack of blanks. Their number is 866-878-2498.
Helen
Jim Bair wrote:
> 
>
> I read it just like you do, but the problem is there is no place on 
> the 8710-1 to put the WSC/PP time.  I used my self as a test case a 
> few years ago and tried to entire the WSC time and we couldn't do it.  
> So, we gave up and just blew off my WSC time with the intention of 
> investigating it later.  Easy to put that stuff off and so now I'm on 
> it again as I have a couple of kids trying to enter it into the system 
> and in the future there will be more.
>  
> Jim
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
>     *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:23 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
>     Private in a LSA
>
>      
>
>     You are correct. If he was going for a commercial airplane
>     certificate
>     he could count 200 hours of his trike/PPC time but the other 50 would
>     need to be in an airplane. Several of the other requirements require
>     time in a "single engine airplane." For those requirements it
>     would not
>     only need to be the same category (airplane) but the same class
>     (single
>     engine). Since he's looking a helicopter rating, let's look at the
>     applicable regs for that:
>
>     (c) /For a helicopter rating. /Except as provided in paragraph (i) of
>     this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate
>     with a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must log at
>     least
>     150 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
>     (1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in
>     helicopters.
>     (2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at
>     least—
>     (i) 35 hours in helicopters; and
>     (ii) 10 hours in cross-country flight in helicopters.
>     (3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
>     §61.127(b)(3) of this part that includes at least—
>     (i) 10 hours of instrument training in an aircraft;
>     (ii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a helicopter
>     in day
>     VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more
>     than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
>     (iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a helicopter in
>     night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of
>     more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
>     (iv) 3 hours in a helicopter in preparation for the practical test
>     within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
>
>     In this case he needs 50 hours of helo time but the other 100 hours
>     could be in a trike or PPC.
>
>     Helen
>
>     Jim Bair wrote:
>     > 
>     >
>     > OK, I'm still confused. Based on what you have posted here, why
>     is it
>     > limited to category and class? I see nothing that says, "LSA
>     time can
>     > be counted as long as it's in the same cat/class". I spent part of
>     > the day reading over that very subpart and called FSDO as well.
>     They
>     > are also researching it. No one there knew the answer. My real
>     > question is whether trike and powered parachute time count. As the
>     > reg is written, it only specifies 100 hours in powered aircraft,
>     50 of
>     > which must be in airplanes. That means 150 could be in gliders, or
>     > balloons, or 200 could be in trikes, etc. Make up your own mix.
>     > However, the 8710-1 has no area to put WSC or PP time. Is this a
>     > failure to revise the 8710-1 or does it mean they can't be counted?
>     > That's my question and precisely the reason I questioned you as to
>     > your source. If it has been decided, I would like to know. At some
>     > point, this will affect someone. My oldest son is ready for his
>     Comm
>     > Helo checkride. He has enough time without the WSC time, but
>     what if
>     > he didn't? Would it count? I would like to see the 8710-1
>     changed to
>     > reflect the new cat/classes.
>     >
>     > Jim
>     >
>     >
>     > ----- Original Message -----
>     > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
>     <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
>     > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>>
>     > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:16 PM
>     > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
>     > Private in a LSA
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
>     > PART 61—CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND
>     > INSTRUCTORS
>     > Subpart F—Commercial Pilots
>     >
>     > Browse Previous | Browse Next
>     > § 61.129 Aeronautical experience.
>     >
>     > Link to an amendment published at 74 FR 42558, Aug. 21, 2009.
>     >
>     > (a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in
>     > paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial
>     > pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class
>     > rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that
>     > consists of at least:
>     >
>     > (1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in
>     > airplanes.
>     >
>     > (2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at
>     > least—
>     >
>     > (i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
>     >
>     > (ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours
>     > must be
>     > in airplanes.
>     >
>     > (3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
>     > §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—
>     >
>     > (i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must
>     > be in
>     > a single-engine airplane;
>     >
>     > (ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable
>     > landing
>     > gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is
>     > turbine-powered,
>     > or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10
>     > hours of
>     > training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch
>     > propeller;
>     >
>     > (iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a
>     single-engine
>     > airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line
>     > distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of
>     > departure;
>     >
>     > (iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine
>     > airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total
>     straight-line
>     > distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of
>     > departure; and
>     >
>     > (v) 3 hours in a single-engine airplane in preparation for the
>     > practical
>     > test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
>     >
>     > (4) 10 hours of solo flight in a single-engine airplane on the
>     > areas of
>     > operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part, which includes at
>     > least—
>     >
>     > (i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles
>     > total
>     > distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which
>     > is a
>     > straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the
>     > original
>     > departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in
>     Hawaii,
>     > the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at
>     > least
>     > 150 nautical miles; and
>     >
>     > (ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10
>     landings
>     > (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an
>     > airport with an operating control tower.
>     >
>     > Jim Bair wrote:
>     > > 
>     > >
>     > > I think you mean Part 61, and then can you be more specific as
>     > to what
>     > > part of Subpart F?
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Part 91, subpart F.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Helen,
>     > > I've been looking for that info. Where did you find it?
>     > >
>     > > Thanks,
>     > > Jim
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > ----- Original Message -----
>     > > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
>     <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>
>     > <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
>     > > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>>
>     > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 AM
>     > > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time
>     > > Building for Private in a LSA
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > As long as it's in the same category and class for which
>     > > you are seeking
>     > > the certificate.
>     > >
>     > > Helen
>     > >
>     > > bigoldkahuna2000 wrote:
>     > > > Can nn LSA be used to build time for private pilots
>     > > working on their commercial license?
>     > > >
>     > > > Thanks
>     > > > Patrick Mc
>     > > >
>     > > >
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