Registry since they process the 8710s and asking them how to handle the
lack of blanks. Their number is 866-878-2498.
Helen
Jim Bair wrote:
>
>
> I read it just like you do, but the problem is there is no place on
> the 8710-1 to put the WSC/PP time. I used my self as a test case a
> few years ago and tried to entire the WSC time and we couldn't do it.
> So, we gave up and just blew off my WSC time with the intention of
> investigating it later. Easy to put that stuff off and so now I'm on
> it again as I have a couple of kids trying to enter it into the system
> and in the future there will be more.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
> *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
> Private in a LSA
>
>
>
> You are correct. If he was going for a commercial airplane
> certificate
> he could count 200 hours of his trike/PPC time but the other 50 would
> need to be in an airplane. Several of the other requirements require
> time in a "single engine airplane." For those requirements it
> would not
> only need to be the same category (airplane) but the same class
> (single
> engine). Since he's looking a helicopter rating, let's look at the
> applicable regs for that:
>
> (c) /For a helicopter rating. /Except as provided in paragraph (i) of
> this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate
> with a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must log at
> least
> 150 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
> (1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in
> helicopters.
> (2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at
> least—
> (i) 35 hours in helicopters; and
> (ii) 10 hours in cross-country flight in helicopters.
> (3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
> §61.127(b)(3) of this part that includes at least—
> (i) 10 hours of instrument training in an aircraft;
> (ii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a helicopter
> in day
> VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more
> than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
> (iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a helicopter in
> night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of
> more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
> (iv) 3 hours in a helicopter in preparation for the practical test
> within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
>
> In this case he needs 50 hours of helo time but the other 100 hours
> could be in a trike or PPC.
>
> Helen
>
> Jim Bair wrote:
> >
> >
> > OK, I'm still confused. Based on what you have posted here, why
> is it
> > limited to category and class? I see nothing that says, "LSA
> time can
> > be counted as long as it's in the same cat/class". I spent part of
> > the day reading over that very subpart and called FSDO as well.
> They
> > are also researching it. No one there knew the answer. My real
> > question is whether trike and powered parachute time count. As the
> > reg is written, it only specifies 100 hours in powered aircraft,
> 50 of
> > which must be in airplanes. That means 150 could be in gliders, or
> > balloons, or 200 could be in trikes, etc. Make up your own mix.
> > However, the 8710-1 has no area to put WSC or PP time. Is this a
> > failure to revise the 8710-1 or does it mean they can't be counted?
> > That's my question and precisely the reason I questioned you as to
> > your source. If it has been decided, I would like to know. At some
> > point, this will affect someone. My oldest son is ready for his
> Comm
> > Helo checkride. He has enough time without the WSC time, but
> what if
> > he didn't? Would it count? I would like to see the 8710-1
> changed to
> > reflect the new cat/classes.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
> <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
> > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:16 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time Building for
> > Private in a LSA
> >
> >
> >
> > Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
> > PART 61—CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND
> > INSTRUCTORS
> > Subpart F—Commercial Pilots
> >
> > Browse Previous | Browse Next
> > § 61.129 Aeronautical experience.
> >
> > Link to an amendment published at 74 FR 42558, Aug. 21, 2009.
> >
> > (a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in
> > paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial
> > pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class
> > rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that
> > consists of at least:
> >
> > (1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in
> > airplanes.
> >
> > (2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at
> > least—
> >
> > (i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
> >
> > (ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours
> > must be
> > in airplanes.
> >
> > (3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in
> > §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—
> >
> > (i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must
> > be in
> > a single-engine airplane;
> >
> > (ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable
> > landing
> > gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is
> > turbine-powered,
> > or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10
> > hours of
> > training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch
> > propeller;
> >
> > (iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a
> single-engine
> > airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line
> > distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of
> > departure;
> >
> > (iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine
> > airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total
> straight-line
> > distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of
> > departure; and
> >
> > (v) 3 hours in a single-engine airplane in preparation for the
> > practical
> > test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
> >
> > (4) 10 hours of solo flight in a single-engine airplane on the
> > areas of
> > operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part, which includes at
> > least—
> >
> > (i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles
> > total
> > distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which
> > is a
> > straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the
> > original
> > departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in
> Hawaii,
> > the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at
> > least
> > 150 nautical miles; and
> >
> > (ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10
> landings
> > (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an
> > airport with an operating control tower.
> >
> > Jim Bair wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you mean Part 61, and then can you be more specific as
> > to what
> > > part of Subpart F?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Part 91, subpart F.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Helen,
> > > I've been looking for that info. Where did you find it?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net
> <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>
> > <mailto:Helen_Woods%40verizon.net>>
> > > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Time
> > > Building for Private in a LSA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As long as it's in the same category and class for which
> > > you are seeking
> > > the certificate.
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > bigoldkahuna2000 wrote:
> > > > Can nn LSA be used to build time for private pilots
> > > working on their commercial license?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Patrick Mc
> > > >
> > > >
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