All About Light Sport Aircraft: February 2011

Monday, February 28, 2011

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

The PA-11 was a J-3 with wing tanks and could br soloed from the front seat, the wing span was 35 feet 3 inches, the Pa- 12 was a threemseat version and had 1 and 1/2 inches added to the wing span. The others , the PA-15 and Pa-17 and the Pa=20 and PA-22 were known as the short winged Pipers with wing span of 29 feet 3 inches.

Jim

Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Hello,

I believe the PA-11 was/is a revised version of the J3 Cub....major improvements were a 100hp engine with enclosed cowling and can be soloed from the front seat. Not sure but I think brakes were also upgraded to toe brakes instead of heal brakes as in the J3.

On the other hand, the Wag-A-Bond is a plans/kit version of the Piper PA-15/PA-17 Vagabond....a side by side seating version of the Cub. The PA15 was an "economy" version, no electrical system,hand propped,brakes only on pilot side,minimal instruments,etc. The PA-17 had full dual controls,more instruments,electric start...a "deluxe" Vagabond. I think the behind the seats baggage area was good for 50 pounds but I don't know the dimensions.

Rich A.

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc <averys_98550@comcast.net>
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Sent: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 04:14:28 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Are you planning to build your own, or are you looking for something that is already done and just a turn key? Wag-Aero has all the parts and plans to build the Wag-A-Bond, which is nut for nut, bolt for bolt, a PA-11. the spec's are looking pretty good, but I don't recall the size of the baggage space.

Wag-Aero's Wag-G-Bond CLASSIC

Engine from 65 hp to 100 hp

Top speed (mph).....................105

Cruising speed (mph).................95

Stalling speed (mph)................ 45

Rate of climb (fpm)................ 625

Gross Weight (lbs.)................1250

Empty weight (lbs.)................ 700

Wing Span (ft.)..................... 29.3

Wing area (sq. ft.)................ 147.5

Length overall (ft.)................ 18.7

Height overall (ft.)................. 6.0

Baggage capacity (lbs.)............. 40

Fuel capacity (gals).................12

They also make a J-3 clone kit/parts. Wag-Aero holds a full set of STC's for Repair/Replacement parts for these early Pipers.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wjfyfe@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Jim,

>

> There are two reasons in which I am looking at Experimental Light Sport Category. First, LSA. That is to do away with the requirement of having an FAA medical. The second is Experimental. That is so I can crawl out from underneath the FAA's thumb where maintenance is concerned. The Aeronca Chief fits the LSA category. But, unfortunately, it does not fit the Experimental category. Which is indeed unfortunate. For there are several Standard and Utility category aircraft in which I would love to own.

>

> Thanks for the thought, Jim,

>

> Bill

>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group PA-15/17

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your correct info......funny thing is, I used to know exactly what you state about the Vagabond history, but I had a "senior moment brain cramp" when I made the post to correct the guy who said the Wag-A-Bond was a kit version PA11.

But, many years ago I did see a PA17 Vagabond at "Sentimental Journey" at Lockhaven,PA that had toe brakes (and clevelands) fitted on both sides.....the owner was like you...didn't like flying with stick in left hand ,right hand on throttle, so he did a field mod upgrade to the brakes and flew his from the right seat. If I recall he also had done an engine upgrade....I think it had a Continental C85-12F with electric start. I probably have a snapshot of that plane somewhere in my old photos.

Regards,

Rich A.

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Sent: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:00:43 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group PA-15/17

Posted by: "rckchp@comcast.net" rckchp@comcast.net   rckchp2000

Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:58 am (PST)

Posted earlier:

Hello,

I believe the PA-11 was/is a revised version of the J3 Cub....major improvements were a 100hp engine with enclosed cowling and can be soloed from the front seat. Not sure but I think brakes were also upgraded to toe brakes instead of heal brakes as in the J3.

On the other hand, the Wag-A-Bond is a plans/kit version of the Piper PA-15/PA-17 Vagabond.... a side by side seating version of the Cub. The PA15 was an "economy" version, no electrical system,hand propped,brakes only on pilot side,minimal instruments, etc. The PA-17 had full dual controls,more instruments, electric start...a "deluxe" Vagabond. I think the behind the seats baggage area was good for 50 pounds but I don't know the dimensions.

Rich A.

I own and fly a PA-17.  It was not a side by side version of the cub (That was the piper J-4).   The PA-15 and later 17 was developed to be a cheap trainer after Piper went into bankruptcy when the light plane market suddenly crashed in 1947.   The Vagabond was developed to use up

the supply of tubing and fabric that Piper already owned and the engines they had on order (Lycomings first and Continentals later).   The Vagabond

uses the same airfoil as the Cub but with 3 feet lopped off of the root end of each wing.  The PA-15 was bare bones with one set of controls and

no shock cords in the landing gear.  The PA-17 was developed to add a few more features including dual sticks and a shock cord landing gear.

Neither plane had brakes on the right side and neither airplane was equipped with an electrical system.   They are pretty good little bare bones planes and with good roll rate.  The only thing I will never get used to is flying with the stick in my left hand and my right hand on the throttle.  If I could find

an affordable PA-11 I'd sell my Vagabond in a heartbeat.

Joe F.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Bill
You may find a Zenith 701 close to your price, there are even a few that were registered as E-LSA. Most are registered as amateur built . A 750 (E-AB) would be better but more money. You could build a Zenith 750 but I doubt you could come in under 40k.
Bill Barry

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wjfyfe@...> wrote:
>
> Jimmy, I see some E-LSA's with up to 80 pounds baggage capacity. But none have, or can be modified, to an area of 27 x 20 x 19 (inches)?
>
> Disappointing,
>
> Bill
> Grants Pass, Oregon
>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyg51147" <james-galvin@> wrote:
> >
> > The Jabiru meets your space requirements but there are no E-SLAs for $30K. None at all.
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group PA-15/17

Posted by: "rckchp@comcast.net" rckchp@comcast.net rckchp2000
Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:58 am (PST)

Posted earlier:
Hello,

I believe the PA-11 was/is a revised version of the J3 Cub....major improvements were a 100hp engine with enclosed cowling and can be soloed from the front seat. Not sure but I think brakes were also upgraded to toe brakes instead of heal brakes as in the J3.

On the other hand, the Wag-A-Bond is a plans/kit version of the Piper PA-15/PA-17 Vagabond.... a side by side seating version of the Cub. The PA15 was an "economy" version, no electrical system,hand propped,brakes only on pilot side,minimal instruments, etc. The PA-17 had full dual controls,more instruments, electric start...a "deluxe" Vagabond. I think the behind the seats baggage area was good for 50 pounds but I don't know the dimensions.

Rich A.

I own and fly a PA-17. It was not a side by side version of the cub (That was the piper J-4). The PA-15 and later 17 was developed to be a cheap trainer after Piper went into bankruptcy when the light plane market suddenly crashed in 1947. The Vagabond was developed to use up
the supply of tubing and fabric that Piper already owned and the engines they had on order (Lycomings first and Continentals later). The Vagabond
uses the same airfoil as the Cub but with 3 feet lopped off of the root end of each wing. The PA-15 was bare bones with one set of controls and
no shock cords in the landing gear. The PA-17 was developed to add a few more features including dual sticks and a shock cord landing gear.
Neither plane had brakes on the right side and neither airplane was equipped with an electrical system. They are pretty good little bare bones planes and with good roll rate. The only thing I will never get used to is flying with the stick in my left hand and my right hand on the throttle. If I could find
an affordable PA-11 I'd sell my Vagabond in a heartbeat.

Joe F.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

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Sunday, February 27, 2011

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSRM

Thanks for your input, and yes I'm in Corning.

Starting week 2, I'm learning a lot and really enjoying it.

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On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Bob Comperini <bob@fly-ul.com> wrote:

>Thanks Bob,
>
>Are you doing it for friends? Or. Just anyone you stumble upon that needs some work or an inspection?

Anyone... although I suppose its "mostly" friends (and my own plane of course). I have been sought out by people who I don't know... normally these are people that can't find an A&P willing to touch their plane, or the Rotax engine.

>Any advice you care to pass along?

I assume you're at Corning? If so, no advise that I can think of... you're in good hands with Rainbow.

Funny story for you... I was in their first class. This was in the early spring time as I recall. Lot of rain, and gloomy, cold days up there. About day 3 of the class, one of the people in the class had the flu. The next day, Brian caught it, and by the 2nd day, I think pretty much 1/2 the class had it. We couldn't just stop the class, so we muddled thru it, until everyone was better. Oh man, there were a few rough days there.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Another person unsubscribed

It is called scan the subjects and if you don't like it, hit the delete button.

Jason Unwin
Education Officer
Pueblo Weisbrod Aircraft Museum
Pueblo, CO
www.pwam.org

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Rex" <Rex@...> wrote:
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> Here is what someone sent me after they unsubcribed from our group:
>
> 2 days of the crap about oil changes is enough. I am getting my PPL and I'm almost done. At first I thought I was going to do the LSA route but I decided to go for the full PPL so I guess over all most of the content here is not what interest me.
> You guys have had this conversation about Rotax engines and who can do a oil change and who cant and who needs a repairman's cert blah blah blah so many times it's ridiculous. I have been subscribed to this group for probably 2 years and I was hoping to see more of hey look where we flew to and here is a video or pics from it and hey what do you think of this plane but mainly it seems to be a bunch of old pilots who like to bicker about the best way to unscrew a oil filter or the correct PSI for a 6 ply tire.
>
>
> I know each perons has their own interests in aviation but just thought you might want to know what some people think of the group discussions.
> Can't please everyone of course.
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

I haven't researched the Wag-A-Bond kits out fully, but they also have the Traveler kit. It is listed as having a gross weight of 1450# which is to heavy to be light sport compatible. However I was at the Pacific Northwest Aviation Conference and Trade Show yesterday. The local FSDO has a presence there so I looked up their certification representatives. I was have been at a set of plans that has a 1450# gross on the plans and I asked if I could built it according to plans, but then register it as an Experimental A/B with a Gross Wt. set at the 1320# limit. They told me as long as this particular airframe has never been certified any way else I can set my own weight limit. So, yes I can take what the plans call a 1450# plane and have it certified with a 1320# gross weight Light Sport Plane compatible. This seems to open up an entirely new set of possibilities.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wjfyfe@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> There are two reasons in which I am looking at Experimental Light Sport Category. First, LSA. That is to do away with the requirement of having an FAA medical. The second is Experimental. That is so I can crawl out from underneath the FAA's thumb where maintenance is concerned. The Aeronca Chief fits the LSA category. But, unfortunately, it does not fit the Experimental category. Which is indeed unfortunate. For there are several Standard and Utility category aircraft in which I would love to own.
>
> Thanks for the thought, Jim,
>
> Bill
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Another person unsubscribed

A group is only as good as the people are willing to make it. If no one is talking on a subject you would like to hear, then why have you not asked or started a topic that others could discuss with the group. The things you are wanting to hear is discussed everyday but no one is putting it on the group. Have you ever been around a bunch of flyer's and listen to all they discuss when they are together? It is amazing and really is interesting. I love the story's and experiences. Sorry that you feel the way you do. I find everything in a group is usually what a person makes of it.

Bert

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Rex <Rex@mitchellwing.com> wrote:

From: Rex <Rex@mitchellwing.com>
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Another person subscribed
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 9:47 PM

Here is what someone sent me after they unsubcribed from our group:

2 days of the crap about oil changes is enough. I am getting my PPL and I'm almost done. At first I thought I was going to do the LSA route but I decided to go for the full PPL so I guess over all most of the content here is not what interest me.
You guys have had this conversation about Rotax engines and who can do a oil change and who cant and who needs a repairman's cert blah blah blah so many times it's ridiculous. I have been subscribed to this group for probably 2 years and I was hoping to see more of hey look where we flew to and here is a video or pics from it and hey what do you think of this plane but mainly it seems to be a bunch of old pilots who like to bicker about the best way to unscrew a oil filter or the correct PSI for a 6 ply tire.

I know each perons has their own interests in aviation but just thought you might want to know what some people think of the group discussions.
Can't please everyone of course.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

They also make a J-3 clone kit/parts. Wag-Aero holds a full set of STC's for Repair/Replacement parts for these early Pipers.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wjfyfe@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> There are two reasons in which I am looking at Experimental Light Sport Category. First, LSA. That is to do away with the requirement of having an FAA medical. The second is Experimental. That is so I can crawl out from underneath the FAA's thumb where maintenance is concerned. The Aeronca Chief fits the LSA category. But, unfortunately, it does not fit the Experimental category. Which is indeed unfortunate. For there are several Standard and Utility category aircraft in which I would love to own.
>
> Thanks for the thought, Jim,
>
> Bill
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSRM

Thanks Bob,

Are you doing it for friends? Or. Just anyone you stumble upon that needs some work or an inspection?

I'm taking the class now. I'm wanting to learn more to help me with my CH750 build, and hoping to supplement my income in the slow months and eventually get an AP, and DAR.

Any advice you care to pass along?

Mike

On Feb 27, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Bob Comperini <bob@fly-ul.com> wrote:

On 03:13 PM 2/27/2011, Michael Daniels wrote:
>Who on the list Holds a Light Sport Repairman with a Maintenance rating?

Me.

>I'm curious as too how it is working out for you, especially if you are charging for services.

Yea, its working out.. this is not my profession, so I do it on a part-time basis.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSRM

On 03:13 PM 2/27/2011, Michael Daniels wrote:
>Who on the list Holds a Light Sport Repairman with a Maintenance rating?

Me.

>I'm curious as too how it is working out for you, especially if you are charging for services.

Yea, its working out.. this is not my profession, so I do it on a part-time basis.

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Who on the list Holds a Light Sport Repairman with a Maintenance rating?

I'm curious as too how it is working out for you, especially if you are charging for services.

I getting ready to start week 2 of the 120hr training.

Thanks,
Mike

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Do you have a large enough cage for your friends to take a flight? I presume that you do have some human "friends" <GRIN>

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:47 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Humm,,,,,

The responsible way to travel is with your friends in cages..

Humm......

R. Williams

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From: "William" <wjfyfe@charter.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:54:13 -0000
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

> Cy,
>
> Our dog travels well in her kennel. In case of an accident it will
> help keep her from getting injured. (We use a kennel in the car also.)
> On the few occasions she needs to stay in the airplane, it keeps her
> comfortably and contently contained. She feels secure in her kennel.
> We believe that it is the responsible way to travel with your pet.
>
> Bill
> Grants Pass, Oregon
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Cy Galley" <cgalley@...> wrote:
> >
> > Why take the kennel?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dog needs to be trained to stay in back. You can put a short leash on the
> > dog if necessary but most dogs like kids fall asleep when aloft.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of William
> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:19 AM
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am a PP/A&P. We currently are flying a Cessna 150 and are considering
> > going to E-LSA, (for obvious reasons.) The main problem we are having is
> > finding an E-LSA aircraft with a large enough baggage area. See, our Aussie
> > Shepard typically flies with us. And her kennel measures 27 x 20 x 19
> > (inches). Another challenge appears to be is our finances allow us only a
> > $30,000 cap.
> >
> > How about it? Is there an E-LSA out there that will meet our requirements or
> > are we outta luck?
> >
> > Thanks bunches,
> >
> > Bill
> > Grants Pass, Oregon
> >
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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

If you feel that you have to “cage” your dog then build a removable partition between your seats and the baggage area. I had one for my station wagon many years ago.

A harness and 2 or three straps could also be used and could be lighter

Cy Galley; Editor - Aeronca Aviator

Supporting Aeroncas every day

www.aeronca.org

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimmyg51147
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:13 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

The Jabiru meets your space requirements but there are no E-SLAs for $30K. None at all.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wjfyfe@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a PP/A&P. We currently are flying a Cessna 150 and are considering going to E-LSA, (for obvious reasons.) The main problem we are having is finding an E-LSA aircraft with a large enough baggage area. See, our Aussie Shepard typically flies with us. And her kennel measures 27 x 20 x 19 (inches). Another challenge appears to be is our finances allow us only a $30,000 cap.
>
> How about it? Is there an E-LSA out there that will meet our requirements or are we outta luck?
>
> Thanks bunches,
>
> Bill
> Grants Pass, Oregon
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

The other thing to think about is weight and balance if you load the cargo area. My instructor always drilled me with how important it is to stay within the cg envelope.

Have fun and stay safe too.

Best,

Thomas
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William <wjfyfe@charter.net> wrote:

Thanks Jim,

There are two reasons in which I am looking at Experimental Light Sport Category. First, LSA. That is to do away with the requirement of having an FAA medical. The second is Experimental. That is so I can crawl out from underneath the FAA's thumb where maintenance is concerned. The Aeronca Chief fits the LSA category. But, unfortunately, it does not fit the Experimental category. Which is indeed unfortunate. For there are several Standard and Utility category aircraft in which I would love to own.

Thanks for the thought, Jim,

Bill

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "jamesebrain" <jimbrain@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> My first post so hope it works. Your problem is the same as most of us, the dollar cap. The roomiest I've seen is the Paradise. But it's over 100K. If an old certified light sport will work look at the Aeronca Chief. I'm pretty sure that your dog carrier would fit in my 11AC's baggage sack. If not a modified one might. Kind of slow for traveling, but fun.
> Jim
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, George E Eberhardt <eberhardtg@> wrote:
> >
> > The biggest luggage area I have seen is in the Jabiru J250. I'm sorry, but
> > I don't know if its available as an ELSA.
> > ________________
> > George E Eberhardt
> > (732) 224-8988
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:18 AM, William <wjfyfe@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am a PP/A&P. We currently are flying a Cessna 150 and are considering
> > > going to E-LSA, (for obvious reasons.) The main problem we are having is
> > > finding an E-LSA aircraft with a large enough baggage area. See, our Aussie
> > > Shepard typically flies with us. And her kennel measures 27 x 20 x 19
> > > (inches). Another challenge appears to be is our finances allow us only a
> > > $30,000 cap.
> > >
> > > How about it? Is there an E-LSA out there that will meet our requirements
> > > or are we outta luck?
> > >
> > > Thanks bunches,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Grants Pass, Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Flying with friends in cages...

Looks like all involved are having great fun! :)

Best,

Thomas
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Jim Bair <jimbair@live.com> wrote:

Not sure if this will come across or not, but I will attempt to post a photo of the proper way to fly with your pet. If there isn't a picture below this, it didn't work and disregard.

Jim

Humm,,,,,

The responsible way to travel is with your friends in cages..

Humm......

R. Williams

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Thanks Jim,

There are two reasons in which I am looking at Experimental Light Sport Category. First, LSA. That is to do away with the requirement of having an FAA medical. The second is Experimental. That is so I can crawl out from underneath the FAA's thumb where maintenance is concerned. The Aeronca Chief fits the LSA category. But, unfortunately, it does not fit the Experimental category. Which is indeed unfortunate. For there are several Standard and Utility category aircraft in which I would love to own.

Thanks for the thought, Jim,

Bill

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "jamesebrain" <jimbrain@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> My first post so hope it works. Your problem is the same as most of us, the dollar cap. The roomiest I've seen is the Paradise. But it's over 100K. If an old certified light sport will work look at the Aeronca Chief. I'm pretty sure that your dog carrier would fit in my 11AC's baggage sack. If not a modified one might. Kind of slow for traveling, but fun.
> Jim
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, George E Eberhardt <eberhardtg@> wrote:
> >
> > The biggest luggage area I have seen is in the Jabiru J250. I'm sorry, but
> > I don't know if its available as an ELSA.
> > ________________
> > George E Eberhardt
> > (732) 224-8988
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:18 AM, William <wjfyfe@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am a PP/A&P. We currently are flying a Cessna 150 and are considering
> > > going to E-LSA, (for obvious reasons.) The main problem we are having is
> > > finding an E-LSA aircraft with a large enough baggage area. See, our Aussie
> > > Shepard typically flies with us. And her kennel measures 27 x 20 x 19
> > > (inches). Another challenge appears to be is our finances allow us only a
> > > $30,000 cap.
> > >
> > > How about it? Is there an E-LSA out there that will meet our requirements
> > > or are we outta luck?
> > >
> > > Thanks bunches,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Grants Pass, Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: lease back

>
>What brand of SLSA was converted to ELSA? I have considered this but unsure of its effect on resale value.

ANY SLSA can be converted into ELSA. If you have an SLSA, and want to convert it, you can do that at any time. If purchasing new, you should be able to tell the distributor how you'd like it registered.

Yes, "re-sale value" is one issue that might affect you. I'm not sure there's enough data to support whether or not this is happening, but if I had to guess, it probably does affect the resale value a little. Certainly, it limits the number of potential buyers (since flight schools and instructors wouldn't want it). More than likely, insurance will cost most, since its an experimental. Yes, you can save quite a bit of money on maintenance costs, especially if you're planning to do your own maintenance.

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: lease back

Helen,

What brand of SLSA was converted to ELSA? I have considered this but unsure of its effect on resale value.

Anyone have any experience or knowledge on the effect on value.

Jerry in NC

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Helen Woods
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:21 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: lease back

The bottom line is that if you are buying a SLSA and plan to do your own
mx, you should read the mx manual before you buy it and plan to go to
Rotax school after SNF. I know one person who reregistered his SLSA as
an ELSA to avoid all of this.

Helen

On 2/26/2011 2:02 AM, Gary Orpe wrote:
> I guess the truth is when you buy a plane your just making the down payment,
> you never really own it. It comes with lien holders already attached. With
> JQ public, all the parts people, instruction, inspection, repair, duats to
> fly, the FAA departments to keep happy and the regulations, insurances for
> plane hangar, rental, instructions, airport fees and golf clubs, special
> taxes and recalls to aircraft, STC's and AD's; no wonder the population is
> decreasing of aviators. Oh yeah, and the collective bargaining of all the
> above concerned needed services. ROTFL
>
> Wow. I guess I knew all that but had temporarily overlooked most of it.
> Thanks for the reminder. What's a person to do?
>
> Gary Orpe
>
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> ->[mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holmes
> ->Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:20 AM
> ->To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> ->Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: lease back
> ->
> ->
> ->Keep in mind that as an SLSA the maintenance and service requirements
> ->are pretty strict. This is even more true when the aircraft is being
> ->used for a commercial purpose. They, of course, require an annual
> ->inspection. They will also need 100 hour inspections when used
> ->commercially. One of these inspections does not preclude or
> ->negate the
> ->other although the 100 hour time may be "reset" at the time
> ->of annual if
> ->doing so is beneficial. These inspections, as laid out by most all
> ->manufacturers, must be performed by a maintenance rated Light Sport
> ->Repairman or an A&P. If the engine in the airplane is a Rotax
> ->then the
> ->A&P MUST have the proper training or experience and the
> ->credentials to
> ->prove it.
> ->
> ->Also keep in mind that if the aircraft is being run on AVgas
> ->that some
> ->of the maintenance requirements are at shorter intervals.
> ->Again, who can
> ->perform these maintenance tasks depends on the manufacturers
> ->guidelines.
> ->A colleague and I currently maintain a couple of SLSA
> ->trainers which are
> ->used on leaseback agreements. These trainers are seeing approximately
> ->100 hours of use per month. It doesnt take long to burn up a 1500 or
> ->2000 hour TBO time on a Rotax engine this way. An overhaul with a
> ->crankshaft can be almost as expensive as a new engine when you start
> ->figuring labor along with the fact that there a limited # of places
> ->allowed to split the engine case and do this work.
> ->
> ->The biggest point I am trying to make here is not to sell the
> ->hourly use
> ->cost to the instructors too low. The kind of rigorous
> ->activity a trainer
> ->sees will require more maintenance than an aircraft for personal use.
> ->
> ->If you need additional info on leaseback agreements contact
> ->Pat Brown at
> ->info@houstonlsa.com
> ->
> ->Bill Holmes SP PPCL
> ->Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance (AP, WSC, PPC)
> ->FAA rated Powerplant Mechanic
> ->Independent ROTAX Repair Facility
> ->Born To Fly& Just Plane Stuff
> ->Huber Air Park (E70)
> ->2475 Rudeloff Rd.
> ->Hangar 1B
> ->Seguin TX. 78155
> ->210-831-7123 ph.
> ->208-279-0283 fax
> ->Billholmes@born-2-fly.com
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Bill,
My first post so hope it works. Your problem is the same as most of us, the dollar cap. The roomiest I've seen is the Paradise. But it's over 100K. If an old certified light sport will work look at the Aeronca Chief. I'm pretty sure that your dog carrier would fit in my 11AC's baggage sack. If not a modified one might. Kind of slow for traveling, but fun.
Jim

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, George E Eberhardt <eberhardtg@...> wrote:
>
> The biggest luggage area I have seen is in the Jabiru J250. I'm sorry, but
> I don't know if its available as an ELSA.
> ________________
> George E Eberhardt
> (732) 224-8988
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:18 AM, William <wjfyfe@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am a PP/A&P. We currently are flying a Cessna 150 and are considering
> > going to E-LSA, (for obvious reasons.) The main problem we are having is
> > finding an E-LSA aircraft with a large enough baggage area. See, our Aussie
> > Shepard typically flies with us. And her kennel measures 27 x 20 x 19
> > (inches). Another challenge appears to be is our finances allow us only a
> > $30,000 cap.
> >
> > How about it? Is there an E-LSA out there that will meet our requirements
> > or are we outta luck?
> >
> > Thanks bunches,
> >
> > Bill
> > Grants Pass, Oregon
> >
> >
> >
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: E-LSA with larger baggage area?

The Jabiru meets your space requirements but there are no E-SLAs for $30K. None at all.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wjfyfe@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a PP/A&P. We currently are flying a Cessna 150 and are considering going to E-LSA, (for obvious reasons.) The main problem we are having is finding an E-LSA aircraft with a large enough baggage area. See, our Aussie Shepard typically flies with us. And her kennel measures 27 x 20 x 19 (inches). Another challenge appears to be is our finances allow us only a $30,000 cap.
>
> How about it? Is there an E-LSA out there that will meet our requirements or are we outta luck?
>
> Thanks bunches,
>
> Bill
> Grants Pass, Oregon
>

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

I will know about the luggage area of the Skyeton K10 next week. I’m going out to take a look at one.

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:52 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?

Folks, let's not get into an argument over the best way to safeguard our pets while traveling, OK? That is best be left for a more appropriate forum. The question was to find an E-LSA with greater then 27 x 20 x 19 (inches)baggage room.

Thanks,

Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Williams" <rkwill@...> wrote:
>
> Humm,,,,,
>
> The responsible way to travel is with your friends in cages..
>
> Humm......
>
> R. Williams
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "William" <wjfyfe@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:54:13 -0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?
>
> > Cy,
> >
> > Our dog travels well in her kennel. In case of an accident it will
> > help keep her from getting injured. (We use a kennel in the car also.)
> > On the few occasions she needs to stay in the airplane, it keeps her
> > comfortably and contently contained. She feels secure in her kennel.
> > We believe that it is the responsible way to travel with your pet.
> >
> > Bill
> > Grants Pass, Oregon
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Cy Galley" <cgalley@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Why take the kennel?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dog needs to be trained to stay in back. You can put a short leash on the
> > > dog if necessary but most dogs like kids fall asleep when aloft.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of William
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:19 AM
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group E-LSA with larger baggage area?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am a PP/A&P. We currently are flying a Cessna 150 and are considering
> > > going to E-LSA, (for obvious reasons.) The main problem we are having is
> > > finding an E-LSA aircraft with a large enough baggage area. See, our Aussie
> > > Shepard typically flies with us. And her kennel measures 27 x 20 x 19
> > > (inches). Another challenge appears to be is our finances allow us only a
> > > $30,000 cap.
> > >
> > > How about it? Is there an E-LSA out there that will meet our requirements or
> > > are we outta luck?
> > >
> > > Thanks bunches,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Grants Pass, Oregon
> > >
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Flying with friends in cages...

That's great Jim, but he needs a headset and some sunglasses. :-)

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From: Jim Bair <jimbair@live.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 19:25:54 GMT+00:00
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Flying with friends in cages...

Not sure if this will come across or not, but I will attempt to post a photo of the proper way to fly with your pet. If there isn't a picture below this, it didn't work and disregard.

Jim

Humm,,,,,

The responsible way to travel is with your friends in cages..

Humm......

R. Williams

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