Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cessna SkyCatcher completes ASTM complia...

Yeah probably right :).
You already got your box of wine out of one guy, you greedy wine drinker.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Bair" <JimBair@...> wrote:
>
> Abid,
> #1, you won't win. The game is rigged and we have no control over it.
>
> #2. Even if you did win (and we didn't even set a date to decide when the
> decision of who won would be made) don't you think your wanting a box of
> expensive steaks is a little out of proportion with my cheapo box of wine?
> Geesh, are you wanting odds here or something? Like 10:1 perhaps. haha
>
> I think the odds of a clear-cut winner without debate is slim, so I won't be
> holding my breath on seeing my box of wine in the near future. :)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Abid Farooqui
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cessna SkyCatcher completes
> ASTM complia...
>
>
> Hi Jim,
> Box Of Wine it is my friend. But if I win, I want box of Omaha steaks :).
> You are right, this (auto-pilot hooked to GPS) will happen and even we are
> doing it in the Apollo Fox but you know why that is happening right now ...
> old GA pilot switching to LSA and SP ... these are generally not new pilots
> right now. In the next 5 years is when we will truly see the impact of SP in
> the pilot scene when (I hope) actual new pilots will start to match the
> numbers of old (medical less) existing pilots.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Bair" <JimBair@> wrote:
> >
> > Side bets on that, Abid? A box of wine, perhaps? :)
> >
> > I hoped LSA wouldn't go the over $100,000 glass airplane route, too, but
> it did. The market will decide how cosmic people want to equip their planes.
> I have given 2 checkrides in LSAs equipped with autopilots hooked to GPSs.
> AArrgghhh.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Abid Farooqui
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cessna SkyCatcher
> completes ASTM complia...
> >
> >
> > I think its extremely foolish for us to take LSA and go in this IFR
> direction. I know some manufacturers want to but if you want that fly a Part
> 23. There is no reason to jump ASTM standards into replacing Part 23 or JAR.
> I believe this whole direction will eventually come to its logical demise.
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I got my instrument ticket before glass became popular so I'm not up
> on
> > > some of the glass certification rules, but wouldn't they also need a
> > > back up electrical system or a vacuum system and set of basic gyro
> > > instruments? That would seem to make sense. I didn't see such on the
> > > panel pics I've seen on the C162. Does someone here know the glass
> back
> > > up rules?
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > Jay Maynard wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:07:49PM -0400, Helen Woods wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> They'd have a hard time making it IFR without using a Rotax because
> they
> > > >> don't have enough useful load for the required back up equipment
> and
> > > >> systems.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, the Skycatcher is a bit on the heavy side. Still making the
> G300 TSOd
> > > > would solve that problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> My guess is that's a large part of the reason the plane is only
> available
> > > >> glass as well since steam gauges generally weigh more.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > How much more, though? Is it as much as 10 pounds?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think TSOd equipment is
> > > >> required for IFR in an LSA, just the manufacturers permission for
> use as
> > > >> such.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > The story I got when I was looking was that an IFR LSA needed a
> certificated
> > > > engine, a certificated prop, and TSOd primary flight instruments.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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