Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cessna SkyCatcher completes ASTM complia...

Hi Jim,
Box Of Wine it is my friend. But if I win, I want box of Omaha steaks :).
You are right, this (auto-pilot hooked to GPS) will happen and even we are doing it in the Apollo Fox but you know why that is happening right now ... old GA pilot switching to LSA and SP ... these are generally not new pilots right now. In the next 5 years is when we will truly see the impact of SP in the pilot scene when (I hope) actual new pilots will start to match the numbers of old (medical less) existing pilots.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Bair" <JimBair@...> wrote:
>
> Side bets on that, Abid? A box of wine, perhaps? :)
>
> I hoped LSA wouldn't go the over $100,000 glass airplane route, too, but it did. The market will decide how cosmic people want to equip their planes. I have given 2 checkrides in LSAs equipped with autopilots hooked to GPSs. AArrgghhh.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Abid Farooqui
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cessna SkyCatcher completes ASTM complia...
>
>
> I think its extremely foolish for us to take LSA and go in this IFR direction. I know some manufacturers want to but if you want that fly a Part 23. There is no reason to jump ASTM standards into replacing Part 23 or JAR. I believe this whole direction will eventually come to its logical demise.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@> wrote:
> >
> > I got my instrument ticket before glass became popular so I'm not up on
> > some of the glass certification rules, but wouldn't they also need a
> > back up electrical system or a vacuum system and set of basic gyro
> > instruments? That would seem to make sense. I didn't see such on the
> > panel pics I've seen on the C162. Does someone here know the glass back
> > up rules?
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Jay Maynard wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:07:49PM -0400, Helen Woods wrote:
> > >
> > >> They'd have a hard time making it IFR without using a Rotax because they
> > >> don't have enough useful load for the required back up equipment and
> > >> systems.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Yeah, the Skycatcher is a bit on the heavy side. Still making the G300 TSOd
> > > would solve that problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >> My guess is that's a large part of the reason the plane is only available
> > >> glass as well since steam gauges generally weigh more.
> > >>
> > >
> > > How much more, though? Is it as much as 10 pounds?
> > >
> > >
> > >> Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think TSOd equipment is
> > >> required for IFR in an LSA, just the manufacturers permission for use as
> > >> such.
> > >>
> > >
> > > The story I got when I was looking was that an IFR LSA needed a certificated
> > > engine, a certificated prop, and TSOd primary flight instruments.
> > >
> >
>

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