Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

I'm with Helen here, this guy never flared, his deck angle is almost flat. He drove this thing right into the ground, hitting either first on the nose wheel, or at the very least on all three. The bounce recovery was non existent and it arrived heavy on the nose, end of story. The instructor should have been on the controls correcting the flare long before they were that close to the ground. The student was guarding the throttle, but did nothing with it after the initial impact, I see the instructor dove for it, but was then to late.
There is no stall involved here.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> I respectfully strongly disagree with you. Look at the second right
> before the first impact. Watch the position of the weather puck. He
> starts the flare and then looses his sight picture and lets the nose
> drop. He then begins a porpoise on the nose.
>
> The student doesn't know what he's talk with the stall. Trust me. They
> generally don't. We had one do this same thing just a few months back.
> Our mechanic watched the whole thing from the side of the runway.
> Student never flared. Plane bounced off the nose. Student then pushed
> forward on the stick and drove it into the nose a second time bending up
> the nose gear. Swore up and down his first landing was on the mains.
> Fortunately it was a metal plane which meant bent metal rather than
> shattered fiberglass so repair was relatively simple and easy.
>
> Helen
>
> On 8/24/2010 10:53 PM, Richard Williams wrote:
> > looking yet again and again and again at the first minute of the video...
> >
> > I see, the student is already messing up at 47 seconds into the video...
> > The student is trying to (amongst other things) re-align the plane with the runway via
> > rudder, rather than via a bit of aileron.
> > I see, at the 50 seconds into the video, where the pilot is flairing, way too high,
> > immediately followed by a stall and drop onto the runway.
> > The sudden drift to the left is from the stall (and possible side wind) as the plane is
> > falling to the runway.
> >
> >
> > So the pilot did not fly the plane into the runway, the pilot stalled the plane,
> > several feet above the runway and fell in.
> >
> > I agree, as another has stated, that the CFI should have had their hands on the
> > controls rather than making 'sight picture' gestures.
> > well, someones' hand was on the throttle, perhaps the CFI left hand.
> >
> > R. Williams
> >
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Chris"<chris.holub@...>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:47:57 -0000
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Remos Nose Gear Collapse
> >
> >
> >> Nose gear collapse during student flight training in Remos.
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOKpvthn7A
> >> Based on the video in my opinion he bounced it so hard the first time
> >> that when it came down the second time it was probably already
> >> weakened so much it couldn't support itself any more.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Chris
> >>
> > ------- End of Original Message -------
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