RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse
Hello Daniel,
Deaf ears or not. . .the question is not about what is best or not best at certain airports. the question is about what people use for landing.
Personally, full flaps is probably the biggest cause of nose wheel wobble IMO. and the IA here says the same thing. Full flaps in those cessna's cause that nose to be closer to level than no flaps, in which beginners tend to "drive" the airplane onto the runway. No flaps keeps the nose very high during the entire landing sequence. Who's right? Who's wrong? I say learn ALL methods, practice them, and be aware of what problems you can acquire in each of the situations.
It call boils down to "Preference" and what kind of strip you are landing in. I have landed in 1000 foot fields, as well as 12000 foot runways. One you can choose your preferred method, the other you can't as easily.
I chuckled on the full flaps go around. . .Yep. . .Full Flap go-around on a 172 or 150 is asking for a lot of trouble. . . Full Flaps might be some of the causes of IFR crashes during a ILS missed approach. You are in landing configuration. . .trimmed out. . .200 feet and no runway in sight. . .Apply full power without being aware of the configuration of your airplane means instant nose up attitude.
Dwayne (Thanks for responding!)
Great to hear from ya!
--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Daniel Tappan <dancfi@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Daniel Tappan <dancfi@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:00 AM
--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Dwayne <masterdr@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Dwayne <masterdr@yahoo.com>
About Flaps. . .
IT depends upon the airplane. . .
Piper A-6 I ALWAYS use 10 degrees of flaps. . . It keeps the nose up.
10 degrees of flaps increases the lift, decreases the stall speed, but doesn't affect the airspeed that much. The lift cancels out the drag.
In the Cherokee 180, I use 10 degrees of flaps, or 20.
In the Cessna 150, I use NO flaps, or 10 degrees. I prefer no flaps.
Well Dwayne....besides helping folks to learn how to fly for 35 years I have also been a A&P with an Inspection Authorization. When you touch down in any a PA 28 series aircraft OR Cessna 150 OR a 172 OR a Grumman tiger landing with full flaps ON THE MAINS is Much easier on the aircraft if for no other reason.( Ever notice how the nose gear shimmies on old Cessna rental aircraft ? ) Folks that have learned to fly on long (2000 foot) runways often have trouble landing on relatively short runways that dot our country !They dont know how to land ...with flaps The thing I like best about the little Cessna 150 is how slow I can land that little lady with full flaps ! Ditto the PA 28 series. Very handy if you have to land it in a corn field sometime. Ben there , done that. I know it was all a waste of breath or typing.. oh well .You can pull a horse to drink but you cant make it water !
The old man Taildragger Dan
P.S. Years ago the Cesssna 172 had manual flaps like the cherokees. But it had 4 notches or 40% of big flaps That iarcraft could land very gently and slowly.You can guess the problem. Lot of "pilots" got into trouble trying to go around with full flaps! Cant be done! Not the airplanes fault ! OK I will shut up!!
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