I have to use two hands to flare my older C172 when I use 40 degrees of flaps to avoid a three point landing.
Helen
Aug 27, 2010 10:23:46 AM, Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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Hello Daniel,
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> Deaf ears or not. . .the question is not about what is best or not best
>at certain airports. the question is about what people use for landing.
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> Personally, full flaps is probably the biggest cause of nose wheel wobble
>IMO. and the IA here says the same thing. Full flaps in those cessna's cause
>that nose to be closer to level than no flaps, in which beginners tend to "drive"
>the airplane onto the runway. No flaps keeps the nose very high during the
>entire landing sequence. Who's right? Who's wrong? I say learn ALL methods,
>practice them, and be aware of what problems you can acquire in each of the
>situations.
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> It call boils down to "Preference" and what kind of strip you are landing
>in. I have landed in 1000 foot fields, as well as 12000 foot runways.
>One you can choose your preferred method, the other you can't as easily.
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> I chuckled on the full flaps go around. . .Yep. . .Full Flap go-around
>on a 172 or 150 is asking for a lot of trouble. . . Full Flaps might be some of
>the causes of IFR crashes during a ILS missed approach. You are in landing
>configuration. . .trimmed out. . .200 feet and no runway in sight. . .Apply full
>power without being aware of the configuration of your airplane means instant nose
>up attitude.
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>Dwayne (Thanks for responding!)
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>Great to hear from ya!
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>--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Daniel Tappan <dancfi@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>From: Daniel Tappan <dancfi@yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse
>To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:00 AM
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>--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Dwayne <masterdr@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>From: Dwayne <masterdr@yahoo.com>
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About Flaps. . .
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> IT depends upon the airplane. . .
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>Piper A-6 I ALWAYS use 10 degrees of flaps. . . It keeps the nose up.
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>10 degrees of flaps increases the lift, decreases the stall speed, but doesn't
>affect the airspeed that much. The lift cancels out the drag.
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>In the Cherokee 180, I use 10 degrees of flaps, or 20.
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>In the Cessna 150, I use NO flaps, or 10 degrees. I prefer no flaps.
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>Well Dwayne....besides helping
>folks to learn how to fly for 35 years I have also been a A&P with an Inspection
>Authorization. When you touch down in any a PA 28 series aircraft OR Cessna 150
>OR a 172 OR a Grumman tiger landing with full flaps ON THE MAINS is Much easier
>on the aircraft if for no other reason.( Ever notice how the nose gear shimmies
>on old Cessna rental aircraft ? ) Folks that have learned to fly on
>long (2000 foot) runways often have trouble landing on relatively short runways
>that dot our country !They dont know how to land ...with flaps The thing I like best about the little Cessna
>150 is how slow I can land that little lady with full flaps ! Ditto the PA 28 series.
>Very handy if you have to land it in a corn field sometime. Ben there , done that.
>I know it was all a waste of breath or typing.. oh well .You can pull a horse
>to drink but you cant make it water !
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>The old man Taildragger Dan
> P.S. Years ago
>the Cesssna 172 had manual flaps like the cherokees. But it had 4 notches or 40%
>of big flaps That iarcraft could land very gently and slowly.You can guess the problem.
>Lot of "pilots" got into trouble trying to go around with full flaps! Cant be done!
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>the airplanes fault ! OK I will shut up!!
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