Gary Orpe
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From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Helen Woods
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:00 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Skyscraper NewsGary, I don't agree with your take on this. My take on this follows (I
could be totally off base): The CPCs didn't get on board with other
brands of LSAs because they are obligated to buy Cessnas not other
brands of aircraft. They did get on board, and in a huge fashion when
Cessna announced the 162, not because of the engine but because Cessna
offered to wave the requirement placed upon the CPCs to buy X number of
new Cessna's each year until they took delivery of their 162 if they
purchased slots for 162s. This made it economically beneficial for the
CPCs to buy 162 slots even if they didn't really want a 162. Now that
potential delivery of the 162s is in sight, Cessna needs to make sure
that the schools will follow through and send them the money for the
rest of the plane. School are only going to do this if they think they
can actually use the plane, and this includes use in their 141
programs. The new sport pilot rules that are expected out any day now
will likely allow LSAs to be used in a 141 school without a waver. 141
curricula require FAA approval (which is what the press release was
about) so King is working with Cessna and the CPCs to get this approval
for their curriculum to be used with the 162 in 141 programs. 141
programs tend to be geared towards younger and hence lighter career
students so that makes sense to address the 162 useful load problem as well.
BTW, I checked with 610 this week on the status of the new rule, which
of course was supposed to come out this week. They said it is done and
on The Administrator's desk awaiting signature, but the didn't know if
he'd sign it before the holidays or not. Regardless, there will be a
30-60 days phase in period after signature.
Helen
Gary Orpe wrote:
>
>
> OK, I will try to sum it all up as I understand it. Just my opinion of
> course....
>
> Since Sport pilot inception regular CPC (Cessna Pilot Centers) or
> normally most of the 'on airport' training schools, refuse to teach
> Sport Pilot. That has been back to before the year 2004. They were not
> going to budge on this and could see no reason to do so on there part.
> I have been told by them that I don't fly a real plane, "isn't that
> one of them Ultralights" your flying. Anyway, many sport pilot
> instructors were going to be necessary to teach those that wanted to
> participate in the Sport class. Many have done so and even set up shop
> as Sport Specialist for training. Many have bought LSA's with the idea
> of using it for training then renting it out for use if they wanted.
> All this because CPC refused to participate. Recently, the rules have
> changed to where training at the sport CFI level only, can't be used
> for transition time to higher tickets. Of course this was because they
> didn't want to teach it, but wanted you to learn what they taught for
> (regular) airplanes because this is the way it had been done for years
> and years. They had an empire out there and didn't want anyone messing
> with it, and still don't. Those that were regular trainers, can simply
> go back to what they did before, so won't hurt them at all. The smart
> ones. right?
>
> Now that Cessna has decided to not use the 2000 hour Rotax 912 engine
> and use the continental 0-200D instead, that brought the other side
> of the training, the repair and inspection side, along with the
> instructors, to keep out most of the LSA (non Cessna side) and to keep
> them locked out. The orgs just wanted to get their people back into
> flying and they worked to do just that. They have not really stood
> behind the LSA groups emerging all over the place. EAA surely did most
> of the marketing of the Sport license. They made quite a project out
> of it and did good with it, but don't seem to care about the training
> part that much.
>
> Since Cessna envisioned the SkyCatcher C-162 as a sport ready plane it
> put a lot of interest back into the class. They were using the Rotax
> 912 at the time. They removed that engine due to concerns over the
> pilot centers ability to repair or have parts for the Rotax. Then
> Rotax sealed the deal by making anyone working on their engines, in
> any way, would need to have THEIR special factory trainings to do so.
> That sort of put a taboo on using their engine even more in favor of
> the repair/training facilities, and hurt the LSA market even more
> since Rotax was the 99% engine of choice of most SLSA.
>
> The rest should be simple to understand. As soon as Cessna changed the
> engine to the 0-200D they suddenly pre-sold over 800 planes to the
> CPC's and have started delivery recently. You can notice the comment,
> "sport/private" in there statement connecting the two with the CPC's now.
>
> The word Hijacked comes to mind, but then they should have done all
> this in the first place I think. This of course leaves the other than
> SEL/S craft for the non true CFI, supposedly in tack, as they are. CPC
> could care less about parachutes, trikes, weight shift and the like.
> They are also trying to close out the airports they might use as well,
> it seems to me.
>
> This is purely my take on all of this and I could be all wrong, but I
> think it will help put meaning into the statement that E-Pilot made today.
>
>
> Gary Orpe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. ] *On Behalf Of *brianmacgeekcom
> *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2009 8:45 AM
> *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
> *Subject:* Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Skyscraper News
>
>
>
> Gary,
>
> I'm a little lost on this (or clueless might be a better term).
> What is this a result of or for?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft% 40yahoogroups. com>, "Gary Orpe" <garyo@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Taken from the AOPA epilot release. They wouldn't and now they
> will. Rotax
> > A&P's next? Now it starts...
> >
> > "Four CPCs get FAA approval for sport/private training regimen
> > Four Cessna Pilot Centers have gained FAA Part 141 approval to
> use a new
> > sport/private pilot training curriculum, Cessna announced Dec.
> 14. The
> > four flight schools are Air Fleet Training Systems Inc.,
> Fairfield, N.J.;
> > Pensacola Aviation Center, Pensacola, Fla.; Snohomish Flying
> Service,
> > Snohomish, Wash.; and Trade Winds Aviation (doing business as
> Skyworks
> > Inc.), San Jose, Calif. Many other CPCs are in the approval
> process to add
> > the course to their training programs, Cessna said. The new
> curriculum was
> > developed in conjunction with King Schools Inc."
> >
> > Gary O.
> > "Mitfield"
> >
>
>
>
>
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