The engine on 80% of our trikes that I was referring to is the same engine you find in a Tecnam Sierra or Flight Design CT (Rotax 912ULS). It has 70-80% of the LSA market currently world-wide and they have no real competition. I wish I could buy an American engine that had the reliability and power-to-weight ratio of this engine but I can't and that includes Great Planes VW conversion and Geo and Subaru. I and the outfits I have been involved with have dealt with every single one of those conversions at one point or another.
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@...> wrote:
>
>
> The VW conversions may not quite fit into production planes. Then again all
> planes that fit into the LSA catagory are not production planes. Many VW
> engines like the Great Plains engines have been around for a while. They have a
> well proven reputation in the home built circles. I'm not knocking trikes since
> I have never flown one. I might like them better than fixed wings for all I
> know. The KRs and trikes are separate classes of planes. A KR is too fast to
> be in the LSA market. My point is that they do sell well and have for quite a
> while. It doesn't matter about the engine choice because that is up to the
> buyer or builder. After all these years they are still fast and sellable
> planes.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 9:11:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cracked, with gun, was: Video: FAA
> resol..
>
> Â
> Alternative engines are not an option for any liability or time/deadline
> conscious production company. They may (or may not) be options for one off 51%
> builders in the experimental market. You are trying to compare apples and
> oranges when comparing a KR-2 to a trike. Would you compare a Honda GoldWing to
> a Toyota Camry. Would that make any sense??
>
> Some of your thought process suggests that you think trikes should be delegated
> to cheap, make no progress aircraft. I would despise that connotation as an avid
> triker.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@> wrote:
> >
> > You might want to think about your last post. KRs have been around since the
>
> > late 70s. A crap load of the planes are flying now. Mostly with VW engine
> > conversions like the original design. Take a look at Ebay and see what
> >projects
> >
> > are bringing today. Short of the vans planes they are probably the most
> >sought
> >
> > after planes on the market.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 3:53:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cracked, with gun, was: Video:
> >FAA
> >
> > resol..
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > And KR-2 is an amateur-built airplane. The completion rate in those is like 1
> > out if 10. If you have a Subaru in a KR-2 versus a KR-2 with a o-200 which one
>
> > is more likely to sell and which one is more likely to be reliable engine.
> >
> >
> > The largest kit seller in the world Vans with the most completion rate cannot
> > claim more than 25 percent and they highly discourage non-aircraft engines and
>
> > conversions and I don't think that's because they don't know what they are
> >doing
> > abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, James Ferris <mijniljj@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I said KR-2, thats hardly a Wright Flyer and it will fly rings around your
> > >trike
> > >
> > > no matter how much you paid for your engine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 5:03:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cracked, with gun, was: Video:
>
> > >FAA
> > >
> > > resol...
> > >
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > Oh duh. I forgot. You also want fixed wing pilots to fly Wright brother's
> > > creation still. At least you are balanced.
> > > Abid
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica"
> > > <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wait a second. So you want us to fly trikes like Barry Palmer flew. No
> >thank
> >
> >
> > > >you.
> > > > Abid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, James Ferris <mijniljj@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are right, I was thinking more of VW, Corvair, GO and otherÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
> >auto
> >
> > >engine
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > conversions, I understand a GO costÃÆ'‚ about $1,500.00 and some of
> >the
> >
> > > >Corvairs
> > > >
> > > > > only $1,000.00ÃÆ'‚ for KR-2 aircraft and the Go are used on many of
> >the
> >
> > > >triks.ÃÆ'‚ Thr
> > > >
> > > > > first trikÃÆ'‚ to fly had a 15 HP engine and cost about $100.00 and
> >was
> >
> > >built by
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Barry Palmer but he did not weigh 300 pounds and that was a few years ago
> >
> > >and
> > >
> > > >it
> > > >
> > > > > did not go 100 MPH either, it was more like 35 or 40 MPH and he never
> >left
> >
> >
> > > >the
> > > >
> > > > > airport. So I don't know anyone stupid enough to pay $18,000.00 for an
> > >engine
> > >
> > > >to
> > > >
> > > > > go on a trik even in this day and time and even if it does go 100 MPH so
> >I
> >
> > >am
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > out of my class so I will go away and shut up.
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: "drice003@" <drice003@>
> > > > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 3:41:15 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cracked, with gun, was:
> > >Video:
> > >
> > > >FAA
> > > >
> > > > > resol...
> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
> > > > > jim
> > > > > got no dog in this fight ,but you are on a group that you don't belong
> > >on,it
> > >
> > >
> > > > > appears you have no idea about prices
> > > > > dave
> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >$4,400 for an engine to go on a trike? it come off a P-51 0r what??????
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >From: "medicbill@" <medicbill@>
> > > > > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 11:05:14 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cracked, with gun, was:
> > >Video:
> > >
> > > >FAA
> > > >
> > > > > >resol...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You can get off your high horse. Your the one who wants to insult people
> >
> > >and
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >talk trash who are just doing their job as best they can with the
> > > >limitations
> > > >
> > > > > >they have. You know even police have to go by the law. Sorry about your
>
> > > >trike
> > > >
> > > > > >but obviously there is more to the story then what you are telling here
>
> > >for
> > >
> > > >some
> > > >
> > > > > >guy to be pulling a gun on you. Since you handled it without the police
>
> > >then
> > >
> > > >why
> > > >
> > > > > >are you getting on them about the issue. Small claims or not it is still
> >a
> >
> > >
> > > >civil
> > > >
> > > > > >issue and not a criminal issue. If I were you maybe I would not use that
> >
> > >guy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >again in the future
> > > > > >ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
> > > > > >In a message dated 9/3/2010 4:27:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > > >rkwill@ writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >medic,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >?"Get off your high horse"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >A $9000 dollar trike and a $4400 engine is not a small claims action.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And the subsequent negotiated deal did get our stuff the next day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do try to keep up with the thread rather than flying off the handle when
> >
> > >any
> > >
> > > >of
> > > >
> > > > > >your
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >'hot buttons' gets pressed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >BTW:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >We were not on his property.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do you think it is a civil, non criminal, activity to use your gun to
> > >menace
> > >
> > > >the
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >traffic out on the street?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The police saw it as a criminal activity and charged the dealer with a
> > > >criminal
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >offense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >R. Williams
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >---------- Original Message -----------
> > > > > >
> > > > > >From: medicbill@
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sent: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 01:38:37 EDT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves
> > >Kings
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >issue -
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >AOPA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Well it is because this would be a civil matter and not a criminal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> matter. He was on his property. Obviously the gun was not illegal and
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> he legally owned it so his argument is going to be he was protecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> his property. Get off your high horse and go file a small claims
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> action and handle it properly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > ><snip>
> > > > > >
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