Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves Kings issue - AOPA

Well put. The problem...as I stated yesterday is poor intelligence...there OS an oxymoron for you!

Poor intel kills in Iraq. Poor Intel here gets innocent people arrested.

The Kings deserve a formal apology on TV by the ATF and FAA and an admittance that their poor infrastructure and data systems are what caused this debacle.

You know our country is screwed up when California city managers can earn $800,000 but the FAA and ATF must rely on antiquated systems and poorly conceives data infrastructures.

Chris Norman, CEO
www.digitalrealitycorp.com

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

----- Reply message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@mchsi.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 2, 2010 11:46 am
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves Kings issue - AOPA
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>

It is well known that the FAA data bases are poor and full of errors. E.g. 3
passenger J-3s for example.



It really hasn't been a problem until they start using it to filter stolen
planes. This was never the intended use for the data base. Even this use was
not a problem until 9-11 and the Patriot Act.



From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of jimmyg51147
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:05 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Video: FAA resolves Kings
issue - AOPA



 

1) Me think thou dost protest too much. What a little too close to home?
2) You got a list of all the out of date databases handy?
3) Answered well by another poster
4)Oh! for crying out loud! 98% of people aren't pulling pilots and their
wives out of aircraft with guns drawn.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , medicbill@... wrote:
>
> I. Your doughnut comment just shows your continuing ignorance.
> 2, Expect them to do their damn jobs so it does not happen.
> 3, Not rocket science.
> 4. I would bet that 98% of people think that airplanes have VIN numbers
> just like cars.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/2/2010 3:33:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> james-galvin@... writes:
>
>
> Your logic is flawed in so many ways that I don't have time to detail all
> of them. Here are some:
> 1) "It is not their job to verify information given to them from a federal

> agency." It IS their job. And sooner or later it has to be done. Here they

> chose to verify it after committing all the resources detailed in the
> report and detaining the Kings. Had they done the verification prior to
> starting out the police could have spent the time eating their favorite
doughnuts.
>
> 2)"The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies and possibly Cessna who
> knew this N number had a problem and should have made sure it had been
> changed." You expect Cessna or for that matter you or I to check EVERY
data
> base (past, present, and particularly the obsolete ones) to make sure the
> N-number we are using is free and clear in each database. Please explain
how we
> are to accomplish is task and rectify any discrepancies.
> 3) "I think that the FAA also should not reissue numbers from a stolen
> aircraft in such a short period of time or maybe never reissue them so
> something like this could not happen again." I don't even know where to
start with
> this one!
> 4) "They acted they way they have been trained and the department policy."

> And you thought this was appropriate. This was hilarious. KEYSTONE COPS
> comes to mind. I got a kick out of them asking John King where the VIN
number
> was located on the plane.
>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , medicbill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe the police acted appropriately based upon the information they

> recieved. It is not their job to verify information given to them from a
> federal agency. The fault lies with the FAA and other agencies and
possibly
> Cessna who knew this N number had a problem and should have made sure it
> had been changed. Especially since it had happened before. Has this plane
> flown since the last time it I think that the FAA also should not reissue
> numbers from a stolen aircraft in such a short period of time or maybe
never
> reissue them so something like this could not happen again.
> >
> > If it had not involved a high profile couple it would not even been
> found on the back page of the arts section. The police were given a report
of a
> stolen aircraft from a government agency. The police have to depend on the

> reliability of that report and act upon it appropriately. Which is exactly

> what they did. In todays world after 911 how can they act any other way.
> >
> > As far as how they handled the situation after the Kings landing to the
> police they were conducting a felony stop. No different then they would if

> it was a stolen vehicle. They had no idea who was in that plane. They
> acted they way they have been trained and the department policy. To do it
any
> other way is how police officers end up dead.
> >
> > The fault lays with the FAA and the government agencies who handle the
> registrations and the databases that the information comes from not the
> police who are doing their jobs. The Kings were only detained and not
arrested.
> Once the info was cleared up they were released. Can it be stressful? Yes.

> I met the Kings at Oshkosh and even though they may be getting up in years

> they both appeared to me to be tough people and I am sure they handled it
> very well. Obviously they figured out a training angle from the situation
> just like you would expect they would.
>
>
>
>
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